[JMJ333]

I always woner about people who don't have the sense enough to know they have embarrassed themselves. Its good to understand when to keep up the fight or to abandon a thread. Some people really do not know any shame.

[ultima ratio]

My fight is not to convince people like you--it is to use reasoned argumnts to convince anyone who reads these threads. I do not expect to have my ideas treated fairly or even with courtesy by anybody on this thread. I will therefore argue on--whether you like it or not because what is happening is that the Catholic faith is being subverted gradually in almost every diocese and parish in the world. I notice you don't contend with me much on this. I am willing to hear your own excuses for what is going on. Defend the indefensible--if you can--the apostate bishops and the Pope who has tolerated them these many years.