[ultima ratio]

I was in a major Catholic seminary in '86. I saw enough to last a lifetime. I don't need CNN or the Washington Post to tell me what I knew even back then.

[ArrogantBustard]

It would be a mistake to extrapolate from that one seminary to the entire Church in America. I don't suppose you'd care to tell us which seminary...

I've lived in several dioceses. I've seen the Mass butchered almost beyond recognition, in some of the worst parishes in the Dreadful Diocese of Richmond. I've seen it offered properly and reverently, in various parishes in dioceses in Maryland, Ohio, Louisiana, Delaware, Wisconsin and other places. Even in Richmond. I've heard heresy preached from the pulpit, and heard heresy explicitly condemned from the pulpit. From which of these extremes should I extrapolate to the entire Church?