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To: ultima ratio
The animus you show toward traditional Catholics is nothing short of amazing.

I don't think I have displayed any more animus for the SSPX than you have for the Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church and Her pope that the Holy Spirit selected to guide Her. The fact is, that it has been your calumnies that begat these exchanges. No one has begun a thread hailing the popularity and universal love for Bishop williamson, followed by me popping in to debunk his followers as sentimental groupies. You, sir, are reaping what you have sowed.

You assume to know what they believe.

I know what traditional Catholics believe. I am one. Many Catholic Freepers are. The SSPX is infamous for alienating their most natural allies with their contempt for anything associated with the pope's church. They will even label them neo-Catholics or neo cons to differentiate themselves. They love to think that they are the elite and the few who possess the truth. They come across as smug, arrogant, paranoid, insulting, demeaning, defensive, stubborn, dishonest, untrusting,hypocritical, inconsistent,conspiritorial, objectively stupid people (present company excluded, of course). I used to sympathize with their cause until I actually learned more about the history of their movement and came in contact with some of the members and was able to observe what kind of fruit was ripening. There is no doubt that a rabid hatred for the Roman church is developing in that sect. With every passing year, with every stillborn attempt at reconciliation, with every defamatory essay, pastoral letter, or sermon the recalcitrance grows more profound. I know what a traditional Catholic is and in my view the SSPX just play acts at it.

The truth is, you wish to demonize them.

The SSPX demonizes itself. If you don't want the SSPX to have a negative image you should be very, very quiet.

You and others like you spread these myths around to marginalize them--which only confirms them in their faith.

They are marginalized by their own doing. It is childish to blame others and juvenile to think that marginalization is confirmation. Sheeesh.

426 posted on 08/09/2002 9:02:11 PM PDT by St.Chuck
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To: St.Chuck
I speak the truth--and it sounds like calumny to you. It is true that Rome is nurturing a new religion that is not traditional Catholicism. It is true that this Pope has not been a good disciplinarian and has allowed things to get out of hand. It is true that he violates tradition with the novelties he imposes on the faithful. It is true that the Novus Ordo is theologically deficient and in direct opposition to Trent. All these facts are observable to any Catholic who knows the faith. You think what's going on is fine--but past popes have warned about Modernism--and this Pope has embraced it.
431 posted on 08/10/2002 2:07:44 AM PDT by ultima ratio
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To: St.Chuck
truly said
440 posted on 08/10/2002 5:01:11 AM PDT by Catholicguy
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