[sinkspur]

Then how come the facts bear out the Archbishop? And how come his order is flourishing? And how come everything the Pope touches--except maybe his rock concerts--is collapsing?

I've stayed out of this cat fight, but it's been fun to watch.

ultima, you have been asked, over and over and over, to back up your contention that the SSPX sect is "flourishing." Your word is not enough. You've got to back up what you say with citations, or, clearly state that what you are saying is your opinion.

And, the Catholic Church continues to grow, year after year. The Catholic Church in America now stands 62 million, from 40 million in 1980.

[Land of the Irish]

The Catholic Church in America now stands 62 million, from 40 million in 1980.

A coworker of mine converted to Catholicism on Easter Sunday 2001. His wife was already Catholic. They have 3 children, all baptized in the Catholic faith. He just happened to mention to me this week that they went to Mass this past weekend for the first time since Easter of this year.

So much for your headcount of Catholic Church in America (Amchurch). Give us a true headcount of practicing Catholics; your numbers will be pathetic.

[ultima ratio]

Back up your statistics. Show me it's growing. It's collapsing throughout the first world. You've got at least twelve different crises, as Fr. Paul Wilson points out. Ratzinger himself called the Novus Ordo a disaster. You've got seminarians cruising gay bars, you've got priests making up their own Masses, you've got bishops in open apostasy, you've got cardinals protecting pedophiles--and you think the Church is flourishing? LOL.