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Dear ultima ratio,

"Your view is that the all-knowing and all-wise 'Supreme Pontiff' was right and the lowly, ignorant, and disobedient Archbishop was wrong?"

LOL. Are you sure you're really a Catholic?? It isn't a matter of all-knowing or all-wise, it's a question of binding authority. The pope's got it, the archbishop didn't.

As to whether or not the late archbishop's order is flourishing, I recently read that his order's vocations are down about 20% over the past 10 years. I know that the orthodox "Novus Ordo" seminaries in the US are bursting at the seams. Our own orthodox seminary in our archdiocese is full.

Thanks for asking. ;-)

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[ultima ratio]

More propaganda. It's bursting at the seams, ever since the scandals broke. Hordes of guys recently left their N.O. seminaries in India, lots of others. There are about 500 priests now, and one million plus faithful. This is only about a quarter of the Traditional Movement in toto. They increase roughly by 10% annually--at about the same rate as the Novus Ordo decreases. And yes, I'm Catholic. What I'm not is a Vatican-two-er. You Novus Ordo people believe the Church began in 1963. Mine began in the days of Christ and the apostles. No problem at all attracting the young, by the way. Lots of young families--who don't practice birth control. 12 new schools were built this year in this country alone. One other thing: the people we attract are devout--not cafeteria Catholics. We practice the old faith, not the watered-down Protestant variety.

[ultima ratio]

Read and ponder: "For the Holy Spirit was not promised to the Successors of Peter that by His revelation they might disclose new doctrine, but that by His help they might GUARD the revelation transmitted through the apostles and the deposit of Faith." (Denzinger, 1800, citing Vatican Council I, can. 3.)

In this case, it was the good Archbishop who was concerned about guarding the Catholic tradition and its deposit of faith.

That's the big difference between traditionalists and conservatives. You ignore Vatican I as well as Trent; you exalt Vatican II and the popes who support it.