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To: Catholicguy
NOTHING identifies a "Catholic Traditionalist" more than that he gathers the attention and admiration of Calvinists.

Your point being?

If I was not clear on this point before, let me be now: I do not believe in Jansenist or Calvinist theology.

However, I believe that in a world which has lost its sense of sin, Catholics need to develop a stronger sense of their own unworthiness and sinful nature, and the need for repentance. And that's precisely what we aren't getting in a lot of our Churches. Certainly it's what I never got out of the Novus Ordo parishes I attended. In that sense I do admire the Jansenists.

And as for 'gaining the attention and admiration of Calvinists', I fail to see why this is necessarily bad if this leads them to find in the Catholic Church what they're missing in their own.

107 posted on 08/07/2002 12:32:58 PM PDT by Loyalist
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To: Loyalist
NOTHING identifies a "Catholic Traditionalist" more than that he gathers the attention and admiration of Calvinists.

Your point being?

Real "traditionalists" don't

It is always a questionable exercise to decide to what extent others have a sense of sin. Be that as it may, a preceived or imagined deficency will not be corrected by heresy.

Wouldn't it be much better to cite the writings of this Pope and his own example (Confession twice weekly) as a right response?

109 posted on 08/07/2002 12:57:52 PM PDT by Catholicguy
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To: Loyalist
NOTHING identifies a "Catholic Traditionalist" more than that he gathers the attention and admiration of Calvinists.

Your point being?

Real "traditionalists" don't

It is always a questionable exercise to decide to what extent others have a sense of sin. Be that as it may, a preceived or imagined deficency will not be corrected by heresy.

Wouldn't it be much better to cite the writings of this Pope and his own example (Confession twice weekly) as a right response?

110 posted on 08/07/2002 1:02:40 PM PDT by Catholicguy
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To: Catholicguy; Loyalist; ultima ratio; JMJ333; Polycarp
This Calvinist does not admire the theology of the CT's, in fact, is is probably more antithetical to my own beliefs than some of the post Vatican II ecumenicists. I do respect the CTs desire to view theology as important and to state the issues clearly. Bluring distinctions (like ECT) does not impress me.

We also agree on the need to take sin seriously. We radically differ on the remedy. Our differences, you see are plain despite some comnmon principles and concerns

I have said this several times before but you haven't grasped my point. Is the Calvinist club just to tempting a weapon to use on the CTs?

The "cyber-confessional" is open AND pennance free for the truly repentant.

your buddy...
drstevej
111 posted on 08/07/2002 1:23:46 PM PDT by drstevej
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