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John Paul II — The Face of Love
e3mil.com ^ | 8/6/02 | James Bemis

Posted on 08/06/2002 5:10:58 PM PDT by nickcarraway

One picture told it all: At Toronto's airport, the world's eye caught little ten-year-old Georgia Rae Giddings as she emotionally burst into tears after Pope John Paul II embraced her. For the next hour, she recalled the moment repeatedly before crowds of journalists. "When I stood in front of the Pope, I just got dizzier and dizzier," she said.

"Out of Step" with the Contemporary World

She's not the only one. Many of the million or so attending the World Youth Day celebrations reported the same phenomenon.

Most people would be astonished to hear that the Holy Father might be the most beloved person in the world among young people. After all, we're always told the Catholic Church's message is irrelevant, outmoded and - worst of all - square. Cynics charge it has nothing meaningful to say to today's fun-loving, hedonistic youth.

According to the press, polls repeatedly show the Pope's relentless opposition to contraception, abortion, homosexuality, pornography, pre-marital sex, easy divorce and other fruits of the sexual revolution is anathema to the modern and fashionable. (It goes without saying that no one knows the mind of the modern and fashionable like the media.) The Holy Father, they conclude, is out of step with the contemporary world.

A Rebuke to the Modern Age

Okay, then how do you explain nearly a million kids at the Pope's World Youth Day? And where else would the gathering of that many youngsters be termed a "disappointing" turnout?

Perhaps it's because young people's love for the Holy Father is a direct rebuke to the modern age, and thus to its primary megaphone, the modern journalist. No institution has been a more powerful force for secularism, materialism or sexual freedom than the media.

Most reporters today are alienated from religion, looking at faith as little more than an ancient superstition. They don't understand it, so they don't cover it - unless a "religious" story involving scandal or human weakness pops up. That they comprehend.

In listening to World Youth Day participants speak, their deep affection for the Holy Father is clear. The same words keep popping up over and over to describe him - "radiance," "hero" "world's role model," "leader of youth," "our rock," "following in St. Peter's footsteps," and "the person closest to Jesus."

Thus, reasons for the Pope's youthful legions are quite simple: When young people see the weary, lined, rugged, leathern visage of the Holy Father, they see the face of love. Not love the way Hollywood loves them - as walking wallets, rear ends in movie theaters, pairs of ears to listen to the latest CDs - but real affection, from someone who sees them rightfully as precious individuals with eternal souls. And when the Vicar of Christ's deep, aged, honeyed voice is intoned, it seems they're hearing the very Words of God.

An Inexhaustible Treasure of Grace

This, then, is the Papal appeal to the young: faith, as the steadfast leader of the Church, the eternal Bride of Christ; hope, offering refuge for the restless heart; and love, from a elderly man walking in persona Christi. Of these, as St. Paul says, the greatest is love.

This is what Georgia Rae Giddings reacted to. After telling the Pope she loved him, he tenderly stroked her head and whispered gently that he loved her too, the perfect personification of Cardinal Newman's great motto of "Heart Speaketh to Heart." It's hard to imagine any other world leader reacting this way to the presence of an unexpected young stranger - so fearless, so compassionate, so Christlike.

No wonder kids love him.

Catholicism may be known as the Old Faith, it's the Young Faith too, with a remarkable, time-tested ability to outlive every fad that mocks it as passe. Each Catholic generation discovers anew the richness and power of their ancient religion, finding within it an inexhaustible treasure of grace and beauty, boundless as the sea. Once that discovery is made, as a million young pilgrims recently learned, no worldly interest can ever again quite satisfy.


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Comment #101 Removed by Moderator

To: Bud McDuell
So, is it your idea that one ought to be cautious of one who has abandoned a schism and returned to the Catholic Church while on the other hand one must trust an excommunicated Bishop?

It is so hard to figure these things out. BTW, if you discover that the links on his site deliver us forged or false information,let us know

102 posted on 08/07/2002 12:12:33 PM PDT by Catholicguy
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To: Bud McDuell
when some future Pope declares Lefebvre a Saint, judges an Ecumenical Council kaput, excommunicates every Pope after Pius XII and reissues Quo Primum

We can only keep praying that it happens.

103 posted on 08/07/2002 12:14:59 PM PDT by Catholicguy
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To: drstevej
You may be missing a good opportunity to recruit here. It appears we have some with hearts beating in the same rhythym as yours :)
104 posted on 08/07/2002 12:17:08 PM PDT by Catholicguy
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To: Catholicguy; ultima ratio; Loyalist
***Bud, you and ultima and loyalist are attracting the admiration of the Calvinists. Keep up the good work. NOTHING identifies a "Catholic Traditionalist" more than that he gathers the attention and admiration of Calvinists***

CG, you know that this Calvinist thinks you are a swell guy and I often read your posts. Perhaps your thesis needs another look. :)
105 posted on 08/07/2002 12:17:10 PM PDT by drstevej
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To: Bud McDuell
I never thought I would see the day when neo-cons defended pro abortion politicians by claiming they aren't actually aborting babies.

It actually does NOT surprise me that an SSPXer would seek to defend Tim McVeigh.

106 posted on 08/07/2002 12:25:39 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: Catholicguy
NOTHING identifies a "Catholic Traditionalist" more than that he gathers the attention and admiration of Calvinists.

Your point being?

If I was not clear on this point before, let me be now: I do not believe in Jansenist or Calvinist theology.

However, I believe that in a world which has lost its sense of sin, Catholics need to develop a stronger sense of their own unworthiness and sinful nature, and the need for repentance. And that's precisely what we aren't getting in a lot of our Churches. Certainly it's what I never got out of the Novus Ordo parishes I attended. In that sense I do admire the Jansenists.

And as for 'gaining the attention and admiration of Calvinists', I fail to see why this is necessarily bad if this leads them to find in the Catholic Church what they're missing in their own.

107 posted on 08/07/2002 12:32:58 PM PDT by Loyalist
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To: Loyalist
NOTHING identifies a "Catholic Traditionalist" more than that he gathers the attention and admiration of Calvinists.

Your point being?

Real "traditionalists" don't

It is always a questionable exercise to decide to what extent others have a sense of sin. Be that as it may, a preceived or imagined deficency will not be corrected by heresy.

Wouldn't it be much better to cite the writings of this Pope and his own example (Confession twice weekly) as a right response?

109 posted on 08/07/2002 12:57:52 PM PDT by Catholicguy
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To: Loyalist
NOTHING identifies a "Catholic Traditionalist" more than that he gathers the attention and admiration of Calvinists.

Your point being?

Real "traditionalists" don't

It is always a questionable exercise to decide to what extent others have a sense of sin. Be that as it may, a preceived or imagined deficency will not be corrected by heresy.

Wouldn't it be much better to cite the writings of this Pope and his own example (Confession twice weekly) as a right response?

110 posted on 08/07/2002 1:02:40 PM PDT by Catholicguy
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To: Catholicguy; Loyalist; ultima ratio; JMJ333; Polycarp
This Calvinist does not admire the theology of the CT's, in fact, is is probably more antithetical to my own beliefs than some of the post Vatican II ecumenicists. I do respect the CTs desire to view theology as important and to state the issues clearly. Bluring distinctions (like ECT) does not impress me.

We also agree on the need to take sin seriously. We radically differ on the remedy. Our differences, you see are plain despite some comnmon principles and concerns

I have said this several times before but you haven't grasped my point. Is the Calvinist club just to tempting a weapon to use on the CTs?

The "cyber-confessional" is open AND pennance free for the truly repentant.

your buddy...
drstevej
111 posted on 08/07/2002 1:23:46 PM PDT by drstevej
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To: ultima ratio; Siobhan; american colleen; sinkspur; Aliska; Lady In Blue; Salvation; Polycarp; ...
Where is Amchurch taking us? Just look around. The old Mass is gone. The old saints are out. The rosary is out. The kneelers are going. The tabernacle is tucked away out of sight. Catholics are singing "Amazing Grace" and "Rock of Ages" at the Novus Ordo. The new liturgy itself suppresses all awareness of the Real Presence. Genuflections are out. Communion is in the hands.

Dear Ultima Ratio,

You have missed out on some of our heated debates on this issue. I am posting a link to the USCCB web site which provides the proper norms for church architecture and liturgical music. It may surprise you to learn that "kneelers" are NOT OUT and Tabernacles are to retain a place of prominence. What has happened though, is that certain bishops have "interpreted" these norms to suit their personal taste. I am also posting a 2nd link to the web site of a very disgruntled catholic who travels around the country, videotaping Fr. Dr. Vosko, the "wreckovator" of cathedrals. Both are worth the visit:

Guidelines of the National Conference of Catholic Bishops

DOMUS DEI - HOUSE OF GOD

112 posted on 08/07/2002 1:46:00 PM PDT by NYer
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To: Catholicguy
excommunicates every Pope after Pius XII and reissues Quo Primum

We can only keep praying that it happens.

Did I read this correctly, CG?

113 posted on 08/07/2002 1:48:46 PM PDT by Polycarp
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To: NYer
Thanks for the links.
114 posted on 08/07/2002 1:52:31 PM PDT by narses
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To: Polycarp
I know I am grossly ignorant of many elements of Canon Law, but zI thought you had to be alive to be excommunicated. Did I miss something? (Again.)
115 posted on 08/07/2002 1:55:05 PM PDT by narses
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To: drstevej
Coming late into this, I am not sure what a CT is. And to be honest I am not sure I want to even read this thread. I hate watching the Pope get slammed.
116 posted on 08/07/2002 1:56:57 PM PDT by JMJ333
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To: drstevej; ultima ratio; Bud McDuell
Is the Calvinist club just to tempting a weapon to use on the CTs?

I would say that 'Jansenist' is more often the club to beat CT's over the head with. The word stirs up negative associations with the pre-Vatican II Church: excessive scrupulosity,pietism, and legalism; fixations on sin and damnation to the exclusion of God's mercy and forgiveness; a narrow triumphalism; black-habited nuns thwacking children's knuckles with rulers, etc. etc.

The word 'Calvinist' doesn't cause Catholics' blood to boil in the same way.

Say ONE mildly complimentary word about the Jansenists as people, and no matter how much your condemn their theology, you will be cast out with the lepers.

118 posted on 08/07/2002 2:06:27 PM PDT by Loyalist
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To: Bud McDuell
Obviously, I was an extremist to be avoided at all cost.

Indeed!

119 posted on 08/07/2002 2:32:48 PM PDT by St.Chuck
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To: drstevej; patent; Siobhan; sitetest; JMJ333; narses; Catholicguy; *Catholic_list; ...
Is the Calvinist club just to tempting a weapon to use on the CTs?

Honestly...yes and no.

The Calvinists (in our opinion) hate Roman Catholicism (but not Roman Catholics themselves, usually ;-), and much of their ammo lately has been gleened from schismatic "Catholic" websites, such as the Assissi event, reading the Koran, etc.

I think it is simply a matter of pointing out the odd bedfellows that schismatic Catholics are keeping in their condemnation of all things in the post-conciliar Church. The fact that schismatics and the worst of the anti-Catholic Calvinists use the same rhetoric and debate tactics is worth exmining, that's all.

We have a Catholic Caucus here, an emerging schismatic Traditionalist Catholic Caucus, and a well established Anti-Catholic Caucus and Calvinist Caucus (which occasionally intersects quite accurately with the Anti-Catholic Caucus.)

The fact that the Catholic Caucus finds itself defending the RCC against not only the Calvinist Caucus and wider less cohesive Anti-Catholic Caucus but also the emerging schismatic Traditionalist Catholic Caucus is quite troubling to us. The fact that all three are using the same talking points is simply a fact that is being pointed out here.

I have attempted a small clarification of matters regarding schismatic and non-schismatic Catholics, but the posts on this thread go far beyond my meager attempt and far beyond my ability to even make a reasoned response, so I'm staying out of it.

I might be tempted by some of the points of the schismatic Catholics if it were not for the fact that they are so interchangable with the anti-Catholic rhetoric of the anti-Catholic Caucus and Calvinist Caucus posts here (especially as I dismiss out of hand any Calvinist argument, as any sane Catholic must.)

120 posted on 08/07/2002 2:36:17 PM PDT by Polycarp
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