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To: HumanaeVitae
HV..one of the thing that make men so mad about the thought of predestination is they assume that it is ruling them out..I always work from the premesis that if some one is seeking Christ God is drawing him..because man does not seek God by nature

HV How free is your will? Is it totally free?

254 posted on 08/31/2002 2:41:31 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
Again, you won't answer my question--how predestined is your predestination?

"..I always work from the premesis that if some one is seeking Christ God is drawing him..because man does not seek God by nature."

Really. So God doesn't draw certain people. He lets them stay in sin. Only the "elect". Then man has no free will and thus no reason to behave ethically. Again, you've proven my case over and over.

By the way, free will, to a point, is provable by science. In the same way in which we cannot accurately pinpoint a quantum particle in the decay of say, Uranium 238, we cannot say certain actions lead inextricably to other actions. Scientific determinism has been refuted. But you probably don't understand the implications of this. In fact I'm sure I just wasted my time typing that, but FWIW. I won't even bother pulling out Karl Popper.

256 posted on 08/31/2002 2:49:10 PM PDT by HumanaeVitae
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