Let's say everyone becomes a Calvinist and believes in predestination. Either you're predestined to be saved or you are not and you can't do anything about it. See post #166.
Why would anyone behave ethically? Why would anyone go to church? Why wouldn't everyone simply behave in a depraved manner.
Now ask yourself this. Why do mainline Protestants reject predestination? Answer: because without free will Christianity is useless.
You can throw up all the Bible quotes you want. Until you answer this fundamental, inescapable contradiction in the doctrine of predestination then we're done talking.
If you can't see this contradiction, then you've apparently turned your brain off.
One reason, God demands it of us. And since we are saved, we do these things to praise God and give Him glory.
Why do you do these things?
Lets say you admit you were wrong when you said a murder can not be the elect of God to start off with....The Bbile..the word of God says YOUR opinion is not GODS opinion. So why would I believe your faulty logic..so I will keep my bible open
Why would anyone behave ethically? Why would anyone go to church? Why wouldn't everyone simply behave in a depraved manner.
Why would someone that has repented of their sin and fallen on their face infront of God want to sin ?
Now ask yourself this. Why do mainline Protestants reject predestination? Answer: because without free will Christianity is useless.
I guess it depends whayt you mean by "Christianity " would you define what YOU mean by it?
What's with the 'NKJV' talk?
"Why would anyone behave ethically?"
Because they want to.
"Why would anyone go to church?"
Because they want to.
"Why wouldn't everyone simply behave in a depraved manner."
Because they don't want to act this way.
What you fail to understand that Predestination involves the regeneration of our hearts! Our desires have been altered. We no longer want to continue doing such things.
Now, I have a question for you. Let's consider your question. Why do not people who know they are saved (no matter what) murder, steal, commit adultry...
Let's assume for a minute that all christians are indeed saved 'no matter what'. Why does this not happen?
The sillyness of this argument is that it is nonsense. Christians ~go~ to church. Christians ~don't~ continue in their sinful ways. Your 'hypothetical' is nonsense because it doesn't remotely describe accurate events.
Now, if you could demonstrate that Christians do indeed continue in sin, you might even have a point.
Furthermore, if you could demonstrate that Christians who believe in predestination -Christians who believe that they are saved 'no matter what'- actually do continue in their sinful ways (or otherwise act as you've described), then you might have a point. That they don't act in such ways as you suggest makes your hypothetical question completely irrelevant!
Jean
Now I do not care if you ever agree with me...BUT at least understand WHAT you are disagreeing with ..do not make it up as you go along
I am linking this to the other thread so if you wish to learn what "calvinists" do really believe you can come here
If you wish to shadow box with straw men ..that is your choice ...but it would prove that you are afraid of it for some reason if you do not even want to understand it..
Most men will choose not to..why do you think some men do and some do not?