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To: Theresa; PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
"You are applying modern values to the Middle Ages."

Really?

To this very day, in the 21st century, wherever the Church of Rome has political power, the Bible is still shunned as "dangerous". It still does all it can to keep the closed canon of Scripture away from the people.

To this very day, in the 21st century, the Roman Church has never retracted its official denial of religious freedom and what it considers to be its right to use violence to force people to accept its doctrines.

This is documented by the Hefleys in their book, By Their Blood: Christian Martyrs Of The 20th Century, (Mott Media, 1979)

"Calvin and Luther were not very big on religious freedom either --- both Catholics and Protestants burned witches at the stake"

Luther and Calvin had been indoctrinated by, and steeped in Roman catholicism all their lives. De-programming takes time.

But God is patient, and as events unfolded, it is clear that he considered it more needful to reform his church back to the origional theological doctrines first.

And as his reformation proceeded, he showed the ones he was using to do it (and their students) many biblical principles, including the fact that he created all men equal and that they and receive their rights and freedoms (including religious freedom) from him.

Eventually, those of that "REFORMED" church came to America. Luckily, of the 55 Framers of the Constitution, 45 of them were very strong Calvinists. They made absolutely sure when they drew up our founding documents, that no religious tyrant of ANY stripe would ever be able to gain absolute political power in America.

The non-establishment clause of the First Amendment absolutely prohibits the theological doctrines of the Bible to be explicitly woven into the fabric of government.

However, America was founded on biblical *principles* by Christian men who had a deep commitment to the closed canon of Scripture.

The Biblical view of the world -- the existence of God who is active in human history, the authority of the Scripture, the inherent sinfulness of man, the existence of absolute objective morality, and God-given transcendent rights -- was the philosophic foundation of the Constitution. The American community presumed a common set of values which were principally biblical.

The founding principles of the Republic were clearly informed by biblical truth.

As long as America's Constitution and Bill of Rights are upheld, we will have nothing to fear from tyrants who falsely teach their "faithful" that the infallible Word of God is a "dangerous" book, and refuses to retract its official denial of religious freedom and what it considers to be its right to use violence to force people to accept its doctrines, just has in the past.

The only thing that prevents it from enforcing its religion on the world, is absolute political power.

God, himself, is the inspiration for our Constitution. Those who want to dictate to, and dominate others, hate it....

....just like they hate the true God and his infallible Word, the closed canon of Scripture.

101 posted on 08/01/2002 8:13:09 AM PDT by Matchett-PI
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To: Matchett-PI
To this very day, in the 21st century, wherever the Church of Rome has political power, the Bible is still shunned as "dangerous". It still does all it can to keep the closed canon of Scripture away from the people.

Where is this, specifically?

108 posted on 08/01/2002 11:09:48 AM PDT by Rambler
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To: Matchett-PI
"This is documented by the Hefleys in their book, By Their Blood: Christian Martyrs Of The 20th Century, (Mott Media, 1979)"

The Catholics are coming, RUN FOR YOUR LIFE!! Hide your bible!! BOO!!!!!

Luther and Calvin had been indoctrinated by, and steeped in Roman catholicism all their lives. De-programming takes time."

ROFLOL!! Please!! This is such a lame excuse. They changed every other thing they could think of. THEY WERE NO BETTER. Both of them established STATE religions. That was the way things were done then. There was no penicillin either or novocaine or heart transplants. It was a different time.

"But God is patient, and as events unfolded, it is clear that he considered it more needful to reform his church back to the origional theological doctrines first."

Did you make this up in your head?

"As long as America's Constitution and Bill of Rights are upheld, we will have nothing to fear from tyrants who falsely teach their "faithful" that the infallible Word of God is a "dangerous" book, and refuses to retract its official denial of religious freedom and what it considers to be its right to use violence to force people to accept its doctrines, just has in the past."

Good because I would not want to live under Calvinism either or under the KKK.

"The only thing that prevents it from enforcing its religion on the world, is absolute political power."

All evil comes from the Catholic Church? Sneer. I am sorry but this deserves derision. It is such a shallow view of history.

"....just like they hate the true God and his infallible Word, the closed canon of Scripture."

Well that was so inspiring. Now let's all go out and burn a cross on someone's lawn. Oh wait, it was the Protestants of the KKK who did that and in America, land of the free! And against Blacks and Jews and Catholics. What was THAT all about? You know when my grandparents first moved to the south in the 20's they did not let it be known that they were Catholics. It was something you just did not broadcast around. They were worried about the KKK. And European Catholics and Jews were herded into shanty towns and ghettos to live in poverty. They were not received well by the WASPS that were there first. How many Catholic president's have we had? ONE! Prejudice? We know he had to assure the public that he would not let the pope run the country. (Such a stupid thing to even consider but that's the fear some backward people had.)

All I am saying is, there is plenty of blame to go around.

189 posted on 08/01/2002 7:59:46 PM PDT by Theresa
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