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To: voa-davidk; OrthodoxPresbyterian
Your constructive comments are appreciated but not your hostility

Frankly, I consider it quite hostile to post out-of-context scripture to multiple Catholic posters that suggests that their Church that Jesus Christ built on Peter has departed from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of demons.

Save me your sanctimonious disdain for my "hostility."

The word BS is scripturally defined as profanity , is it not ?

OP and I have a long standing friendship here on FRee Republic, and I respect him and admire him immensely. We are rather curt and harsh with each other in these doctrinal debates on this public forum, but it is all in good fun, though the subject may be very serious. OP can take it, but I should apologize if my use of the two letters "BS" has caused you scandal. My apologies.

312 posted on 08/03/2002 8:55:31 AM PDT by Polycarp
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To: voa-davidk; Polycarp
Your constructive comments are appreciated but not your hostility ~~ Frankly, I consider it quite hostile to post out-of-context scripture to multiple Catholic posters that suggests that their Church that Jesus Christ built on Peter has departed from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of demons. Save me your sanctimonious disdain for my "hostility."

Mmm, I don't know that voa-davidk's posting of 1 Timothy 4:1-3:

Without any supporting explanation, is any more "out of context" than the sometimes-encountered Roman habit of posting II Thessalonians 2:15

...Without any supporting explanation. In both cases, the proof-texter is asking the reader to assume that the Roman Catholic Church is the particular denomination which Paul has in view... either to condemn Romanism for her extra-scriptural traditions of clerical celibacy and fasting, or to praise her therefore.

By themselves, though, I don't think either of these passages independently prove the position which the proof-texter is tacitly assuming. The debater could certainly choose to cross-reference his proof-text with other Scriptures which would demonstrate the validity of his argument; but absent Biblical cross-references establishing the logical linkage between the proof-text and the implied conclusion, the debater has skipped a logical step in his argument (IMO).

That said...

The word BS is scripturally defined as profanity , is it not ?

No, it is not. Christians do not use such language in polite company out of deference to cultural sensibility -- that's all. "Avoid even the appearance of evil", etc.

OP and I have a long standing friendship here on FRee Republic, and I respect him and admire him immensely. We are rather curt and harsh with each other in these doctrinal debates on this public forum, but it is all in good fun, though the subject may be very serious. OP can take it, but I should apologize if my use of the two letters "BS" has caused you scandal. My apologies.

Like I said a minute ago, it is appropriate that Christians avoid cursing like sailors in polite company, so as not to be giving unnecessary offense; but as for myself I was not in any way "scandalized" by the little phrase "BS", as I knew it was just Polycarp-Shorthand for "stop dancing and skip to the meat of your argument".

If I was "scandalized" by the letters "BS", I'm afraid I'd faint of traumatic shock if I tried to read Prophet Malachi:

As long as we respect Jim Robinson's rules not to directly employ actual profanity, violent threats, or racism, I'm not going to be scandalized by language (or rather, abbreviations) which would hardly have made the prophets themselves blush in nervous embarassment.

318 posted on 08/03/2002 8:02:56 PM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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To: Polycarp; OrthodoxPresbyterian
I am quite LOL -ing . All I put up was the inspired word of God I Tinothy 4:1-5 , and it certainly had it's convicting effect .

Honest debate requires honesty You state a false accusation in saying it was hostile for me to put up scripture . Not one word did I post of my own , and not one word of mine was hostile ! Amazing !

What you are really saying is that God's word , and therefore God , is hostile to the apostate Catholic teaching , because what you saw was the teaching of the Catholics ( knowing yourself the Catholics teaching ) juxtaposed next to God's word , in the light of God's word . And I never mentioned the teaching of the Catholics at all .

It is interesting how God's word , without the apostate interferance of apostate men , speaks wonders , and has astounding effect .

I also appreciated ' orthodox presbytarian's rebuttal to you and I about Thessolonians 2:15 . I saw a Catholic 'Priest' on a video tell a group of guests that " People ask us why we have made so many changes and added so much to our ( the Catholics ) teaching over the centuries . Well read Thessolonians 2:15 , " ...whether we come to you by word or epistle ..." (This Priest's meaning of his explaination of HIS and the Catholics interpretation of that scripture : what the Catholic Bishops , Pope etc. say , whatever it is , is inspired of God , and from God ,whether spoken or written in a letter ( No matter that it conflicts with previous letters or the Bible !} . "

The aforementioned is the epitomy of 'out of context' , and a gross perversion of the teaching intended . Paul as telling the church that the Apostles teaching is , whether they ( the Apostles )come to the church personally in person , or whether they , ( the Apostles) send a letter an Epistle ). " He who loves is born of God and knows God , for God is love . He who does not love does not know God ." - 1 jhn 4 " Love is patient and is kind ...." . 1 Corinthians 13 " Now abide faith , hope love , these three , but the greatest of these is love ." 1 Corinthians 13 " Love does not rejoice in unrighteousness , but rejoices with the truth ." 1 Corinthians 13 " Sanctify them in the truth , for your word is truth ."- The Gospel of John 8/3/02

319 posted on 08/04/2002 12:01:29 AM PDT by voa-davidk
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To: Polycarp; OrthodoxPresbyterian
I am quite LOL -ing . All I put up was the inspired word of God I Tinothy 4:1-5 , and it certainly had it's convicting effect .

Honest debate requires honesty You state a false accusation in saying it was hostile for me to put up scripture . Not one word did I post of my own , and not one word of mine was hostile ! Amazing !

What you are really saying is that God's word , and therefore God , is hostile to the apostate Catholic teaching , because what you saw was the teaching of the Catholics ( knowing yourself the Catholics teaching ) juxtaposed next to God's word , in the light of God's word . And I never mentioned the teaching of the Catholics at all .

It is interesting how God's word , without the apostate interferance of apostate men , speaks wonders , and has astounding effect .

I also appreciated ' orthodox presbytarian's rebuttal to you and I about Thessolonians 2:15 . I saw a Catholic 'Priest' on a video tell a group of guests that " People ask us why we have made so many changes and added so much to our ( the Catholics ) teaching over the centuries . Well read Thessolonians 2:15 , " ...whether we come to you by word or epistle ..." (This Priest's meaning of his explaination of HIS and the Catholics interpretation of that scripture : what the Catholic Bishops , Pope etc. say , whatever it is , is inspired of God , and from God ,whether spoken or written in a letter ( No matter that it conflicts with previous letters or the Bible !} . "

The aforementioned is the epitomy of 'out of context' , and a gross perversion of the teaching intended . Paul as telling the church that the Apostles teaching is , whether they ( the Apostles )come to the church personally in person , or whether they , ( the Apostles) send a letter an Epistle ). " He who loves is born of God and knows God , for God is love . He who does not love does not know God ." - 1 jhn 4 " Love is patient and is kind ...." . 1 Corinthians 13 " Now abide faith , hope love , these three , but the greatest of these is love ." 1 Corinthians 13 " Love does not rejoice in unrighteousness , but rejoices with the truth ." 1 Corinthians 13 " Sanctify them in the truth , for your word is truth ."- The Gospel of John 8/3/02

320 posted on 08/04/2002 12:02:03 AM PDT by voa-davidk
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