[Polycarp]

The teaching of the Church Fathers of the First Century (Jesus, James, John, Peter, and Paul) on Absolute Predestination is every bit as explicit as the teachings of later Church Fathers on the immorality of abortifacient contraception.

We'll see...or is it maybe a matter not of the plain sense of scripture so much as personal interpretations of opposing scriptural proof texts regarding Absolute Predestination, as you call it? We'll see.

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

We'll see...or is it maybe a matter not of the plain sense of scripture so much as personal interpretations of opposing scriptural proof texts regarding Absolute Predestination, as you call it? We'll see.

Not Granted. I call this a "weasel argument" just like those Modernists who try to weasel out of the Magisterial teaching on contraception.

The First Century Magisterium (Jesus, James, John, Peter, and Paul) on Absolute Predestination is every but as explicit, defined, and infallible as ANY magisterial teaching thereafter, including the magisterial teaching on contraception.

Any deviation therefrom is, ergo, absolute Apostacy.

Ball is in your court.