They are certainly different, they are certainly infighting, and given the fact that they have respective nomenclatures for their positions, they are certainly denominated from eachother theologically
I do not share that which can only be described as an obsession with Calvinists, namely the desire to define absolutely using human words and understandings the nature of Divine Providence and election, predestination versus Free Will.
Its a mystery, OP. Get over it. Neither of us can or will be able to define the infinite mystery and wisdom of God.
Therefore, the Church of Rome, in her WISDOM, has refused to definitively define that which absolutely cannot be defined by men and mens words and mens finite intellect.
And that is why I flee violently from those who are so PROUD as to think theirs and theirs alone is the correct "soteriological position."
Think about it OP, and a light bulb will explode in your mind and soul.
And then your entire approach to Christian apologetics and evangelization will change and see far greater fruit than what it does now.
The Church Fathers infallibly defined the Absolute character of God's Sovereignty for us. We don't have to question them; they have defined the Faith for the Church.
Remember: Jesus, James, John, Paul, and Peter were Church Fathers themselves. And they unanimously defined Absolute Predestination as the Faith of the Church.
That which God has revealed, it is a form of blasphemy to call a "mystery". It amounts to telling God that He doesn't know what he is talking about.
Therefore, the Church of Rome, in her WISDOM, has refused to definitively define that which absolutely cannot be defined by men and mens words and mens finite intellect.
Balderdash. By the same token, you could say that it is Protestant WISDOM to say that the Decalogue "cannot be defined by men" and men's finite intellect.
But God has defined the Decalogue. Abortifacient chemical contraception is murder, and violates the Law of God. Anyone who says that this subject is a "mystery", therefore, is just looking for an excuse not to teach True Doctrine on the Sixth Commandment.
Same with the unanimous affirmation of the Church Fathers (Jesus, James, John, Paul, and Peter) in support of Absolute Predestination.
What a joke, OP. I can prove all Christians taught contraception was wrong for all time.
Likewise, I can prove that all Christian Authority once taught that Absolute Predestination was the Faith of the Church.
You cannot claim that Jesus, James, John, Peter, and Paul were not Church Fathers, Polycarp. Your OWN CHURCH says that the Bible is the very heart of Tradition, the very fount of the Magisterium. Indeed, for the Early Church, the writings and recorded words of the Church Fathers (Jesus, James, John, Peter, and Paul) were all the Magisterium they had to go by in reading the Old Testament.
And the unanimous teaching of the earliest Church Fathers (Jesus, James, John, Peter, and Paul) was that Absolute Predestination was the Faith of the Church.
If the modern "church" has apostasized therefrom, it is no more legitimate than their Apostacy in questions of Moral Doctrine.
Think about it Polycarp, and a light bulb will explode in your mind and soul.
You've got nothing to hang this assertion on except the disputed interpretations of one Church Father's writings, Augustine.
Augustine came late to the game. Augustine appeared over three centuries after the Church Fathers (Jesus, James, John, Peter, and Paul) had infallibly defined that Absolute Predestination was the Faith and the Magisterial Teaching of the Church. Augustine should be credited at beat for simply upholding the universal teaching of the Church Fathers of the First Century (Jesus, James, John, Peter, and Paul).... nothing more.
The teaching of the Church Fathers of the First Century (Jesus, James, John, Peter, and Paul) on Absolute Predestination is every bit as explicit as the teachings of later Church Fathers on the immorality of abortifacient contraception.
Those who say otherwise just don't like what the Church Fathers have defined as the Faith of the Church... exactly like pro-aborts and contraception-supporters just don't like what the Church Fathers have defined as the faith of the Church.
To call Predestination a "mystery" is as much an insult to the Church Fathers of the First Century, as calling Anti-Contraception a "mystery" is an insult to the Church Fathers of the Second Century.