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To: Polycarp; drstevej
Our Church still teaches, as did all of Christianity for all time, that contraception is inherently wrong.

Our Church still teaches, as did all of Christianity for a time, that personal Election unto Salvation is Unconditional and Irresistible under the aegis of the infinite merits of Christ's atonement.

One Church stayed faithful, one fell into apostacy, at least by the yardstick of orthodoxy in salvific theology regarding God's Sovereignty and Absolute Predestination.

If one desires to argue that the vast majority of Christians have spoken, and rejected the Apostolic teaching of Christianity on Election, that's OK.

The debate then becomes, is that rejection of the Apostolic teaching on predestination common sense, or is it common apostacy?

218 posted on 07/31/2002 8:55:26 PM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
One Church stayed faithful, one fell into apostacy, at least by the yardstick of orthodoxy in salvific theology regarding God's Sovereignty and Absolute Predestination.

LOL. See my last post to you. I flee from your prideful insistance that yours and yours alone is the last word regarding God's Sovereignty and Absolute Predestination

You wanna convert me to being an OP?

Hide that little debate tactic away for a while. Its counterproductive to anyone who has studied the history of the debate over Predestination.

In fact, it proves to me that I never will have to take your claims seriously.

222 posted on 07/31/2002 9:08:34 PM PDT by Polycarp
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
Our Church still teaches, as did all of Christianity for a time, that personal Election unto Salvation is Unconditional and Irresistible under the aegis of the infinite merits of Christ's atonement.

What a joke, OP. I can prove all Christians taught contraception was wrong for all time.

You've got nothing to hang this assertion on except the disputed interpretations of one Church Father's writings, Augustine.

I finally realized it, though I've been intimidated by your debate tactics for quite some time.

Your whole claim to orthodoxy just tumbled to the dust. I no longer need to fear that you will come up with an argument I cannot answer.

You have no claim to orthodoxy whatsoever, specifically because you claim to orthodoxy revolves around a single mystery that simply cannot be definitively defined by man.

226 posted on 07/31/2002 9:14:33 PM PDT by Polycarp
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