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To: narses
TLM: Dr. von Hildebrand, at the time that Pope John XXIII summoned the Second Vatican Council, did you perceive a need for a reform within the Church?

AVH: Most of the insights about this come from my husband. He always said that the members of the Church, due to the effects of original sin and actual sin, are always in need of reform. The Church’s teaching, however, is from God. Not one iota is to be changed or considered in need of reform.

<> I remember reading this in TLM when it first came out. I thought the question impertinent and the answer a tragic example of Pride

I cannot think of a single reason why this intelligent woman's personal opinion or the personal opinion of her intelligent husband ought to be considered revelant when opposed to the equally intelligent, but also Saintly, and orthodox, Pope John 23rd.

He, after all, occupied the seat of authority that is Divinely-Constituted<>

25 posted on 12/11/2002 9:32:58 AM PST by Catholicguy
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To: Catholicguy
What did you perceive as in error in the following?

Most of the insights about this come from my husband. He always said that the members of the Church, due to the effects of original sin and actual sin, are always in need of reform. The Church’s teaching, however, is from God. Not one iota is to be changed or considered in need of reform.

Do you deny that enemies of the Church existed before, during and after V2? That they tried (and in some cases succeeded) in creating and using ambiguity to attack the True Church?

28 posted on 12/11/2002 9:55:39 AM PST by narses
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To: Catholicguy
I was surprised that you overlooked this:

It is one of the fears I have about traditional Catholics. Some flirt with fanaticism. A fanatic is one who considers truth to be his personal possession instead of God’s gift. We are servants of the truth, and it is as servants that we seek to share it.

I am very concerned that there are “fanatical” Catholics who use the Faith and the truth it proclaims as an intellectual toy. An authentic appropriation of the truth always leads to a striving for holiness. The Faith, in this present crisis, is not an intellectual chess game. For anyone not striving for holiness, that’s all it will ever be. Such people do more harm to the Faith, particularly if they are proponents of the traditional Mass.

33 posted on 12/11/2002 5:04:03 PM PST by RobbyS
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To: Catholicguy
One good reason to consider the Hildebrands' opinions is that John XXIII was not infallible in these matters. Thus his opinion on such is equivalent to the H's...
42 posted on 10/05/2003 6:41:57 AM PDT by ninenot (Democrats make mistakes. RINOs don't correct them.--Chesterton (adapted by Ninenot))
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