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To: theotokos; narses
The fact which trads cannot accept is that most Catholics are tranquilly happy with the Novus Ordo.

That appears to be the propaganda that you have chosen to swallow. There were many faithful Cathoics who did not like having the Novus Ordo forced upon them. They went along out of obedience. The Modernists who forced the Novus Ordo on everyone now use the argument that one doesn't want to force the Tridentine Mass on everyone. How convenient!

I think narses' point was just to make the Tridentine Mass available without indult and let come what may. Pope John Paul II has agreed that the Tridentine Mass was never abrogated.

23 posted on 07/19/2002 7:55:23 AM PDT by ELS
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To: ELS
That's right. A "free market" of liturgies, all valid, will be healthy. My extended family attends the Liturgy of St. John Chrysotom (I bet I butchered his name) to avoid the N.O. Mass. It is a legal, approved Rite (as is the Tridentine). Frankly the highest court in the Catholic Church has found that attending Mass at a SSPX Chapel is valid and not an occassion for discipline (the Hawaii case). Rome has offered to remove the excommunication and give full faculties to all of the priests and bishops of the SSPX in an Apostolic Administration that would open the potential for a world wide Tridentine Rite availability. What the SSPX seems to be holding out for is an acknowledgment that ALL Roman Rite priests may use that Rite. The worry appears to be avoidance of being relegated to a "museum" status. Me, I don't see that. But we are close, very close to a reconcilliation. Remember, Card. Ratzinger has invited SSPX theologians to join in a Curial study of the theological issues surrounding the N.O. ass and the abuses that everyone concedes have occurred in the liturgy.
27 posted on 07/19/2002 8:08:30 AM PDT by narses
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To: ELS
It is my observation that generally speaking those over the age of 55 prefer the Novus; those between 30-55 are more ambivalent but SLIGHTLY prefer the Novus; and those under the age of 30 who have experienced the Tridentine (and who are not 'practical Protestant/atheist') prefer the Tridentine.

Very odd/interesting.
35 posted on 07/19/2002 9:07:29 AM PDT by ninenot
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To: ELS
Pope John Paul II has agreed that the Tridentine Mass was never abrogated.
My understanding is that it is abrogated as the normative Roman Rite, but that it remains a valid Mass where said in accordance with proper jurisdiction. Is that your understanding?

Dominus Vobiscum

patent  +AMDG

54 posted on 07/19/2002 10:42:06 AM PDT by patent
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