Letter of Cardinal Castrillon Hoyos to Mgr. Fellay

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[narses]

Letter of Cardinal Castrillon Hoyos to Mgr. Fellay (English translation by Mr. Ken Jones, Una Voce St. Louis)

The Vatican, April 5, 2002

Dear Brother in the Lord:

Since the beginning of our fraternal contacts to find a way toward full communion, I believe that we have experienced the solicitude of our merciful Lord: truly he has not spared us His aide and His support, to gather together all the good things that unite us and overcome what still divides us.

I read at the time attentively, in prayer and not without suffering, your letter of last June 22. I have also studied certain documents concerning our conversations, written by members of the Fraternity of St. Pius X, published on the Internet and disseminated by other means of communication. I have also reread the letters of the bishops of the Society of St. Pius X, the interviews granted by Your Excellency and the letters that you have sent me.

Until today, for my part, I have never agreed to grant interviews on the subject, in order to maintain the privacy of the details of our dialogue: for me they have always had a provisional and discreet character, because of the great responsibility that I feel in conscience for this matter. It now seems to me opportune, for the love of truth, to clarify here several aspects of the development of this reconciliation, with the intention of imparting a new impetus, to be frank, to move beyond possible suspicions and misunderstandings that compromise the outcome that, I have no doubt, Your Excellency also desires.

The subject that we are considering will have, in fact, particularly important historical consequences, because it touches the unity, the truth and the holiness of the Church, and it is necessary therefore to treat it with charity but also with objectivity and truth. Our sole judge is Christ the Lord.

Permit me now to give a brief historical overview of our journey:

First of all, I must reiterate a historical truth, at the root of everything. My first initiative was not the result of a Pontifical mandate and was not the fruit of an agreement or project of some other person from the Apostolic See, contrary to what has been written and rumored, as if it was a matter of a definite strategy. As I have already had the occasion to say several times, the dialogue was completely my own personal initiative.

In the second week of August 2000, on returning from Colombia, I learned through the media that was available on the airplane, and only through it, that the Society of St. Pius X was participating in the Jubilee. On my own initiative, and without speaking to anyone about it, I decided to invite the four bishops of the Fraternity to a private dinner with me. The meeting with brother bishops would be a gesture of fraternal love, the occasion of a reciprocal exchange. I therefore had the joy of meeting Your Excellency, as well as Their Excellencies Tissier and Williamson. As you will recall, we did not discuss any subject thoroughly, even if, naturally, we did speak about the liturgical rites, and I was able to become familiar with several aspects of the current life of your Fraternity. I manifested publicly the good impression that the aforementioned Prelates made on me.

I subsequently gave an account of this meeting to the Holy Father, and I received from him words of encouragement. I expressed a desire to maintain contacts to explore the possibilities of this much hoped for unity. The Sovereign Pontiff asked me to continue, and he manifested his clear will to accommodate the Society of St. Pius X, by promoting the conditions necessary for this accommodation. Some time later I read, with a private satisfaction, the interview granted by Your Excellency to the magazine 30 Days. The journalist put these words on your lips: "If the Holy Father calls me I come, or rather I run." I had occasion to speak with the Holy Father about this interview, in which Your Excellency expressed freely and spontaneously his thought: the Holy Father indicated to me, one more time, his generous will to accommodate your Fraternity.

As a result, I contacted Cardinals Angelo Sodano, Secretary of State for His Holiness, Joseph Ratzinger, Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Jorge Medina Estevez, Prefect of the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments, as well as with His Excellency Mgr. Julian Herranz, President of the Pontifical Council for the Interpretation of Legislative Texts. All manifested their satisfaction with a view to an eventual solution of the difficulties. I also consulted Cardinals Paul Augustin Mayer and Alfons Marie Stickler, who were of the same opinion. It is thus that we studied the fundamental theological problems, already present in 1988 when an accord with His Excellency Mgr. Lefebvre was prepared. It did not seem to us that there have been any new problems. Then we began studying several juridical forms that would make a reintegration possible; this appeared very much desirable. Throughout history, the desire for unity has always been a constant for the See of Peter.

To all it seemed appropriate, if Your Excellency agreed, that the undersigned could proceed to a new dialogue of a provisional character. It was not a matter of discussing theological problems in depth, but preparing the way for reconciliation.

I therefore invited Your Excellency by letter; you amiably accepted the invitation and the meeting took place on Dec. 29, 2000.

As Your Excellency knows well, we then studied the possibility of reconciliation and of the return to full communion, as a very concrete and special fruit of the Jubilee. We concluded with a dinner at my residence, attended also by the Rev. Michel Simoulin, in a very cordial and fraternal climate.

Informed of this new reunion, and despite the amount of work he had in the last days of the great Jubilee, the Holy Father received you with the Abbe Simoulin on Dec. 30, 2000 in his private chapel. After a few minutes of silent prayer, the Holy Father said the Our Father, followed by those present, then he wished them a Holy Christmas. He blessed them by offering several rosaries and encouraged them to continue the dialogue undertaken.

In the same Apostolic Palace and in the presence of the personal secretaries of the Holy Father, I read to Your Excellency a Protocol regarding the dialogue of the preceding day, which would be sent to the Sovereign Pontiff. You have expressed your agreement by specifying two points: 1) the prayer for the Pope in the Canon of the Mass was not your decision but was a prior provision of Mgr. Lefebvre; 2) reservation about Vatican II especially regarding religious liberty, since the rights of God over the public order could not be limited. The secretary took notes in order to make a report to the Holy Father.

For further clarity, permit me to transcribe here the aforesaid protocol:

More (27 pages more) at the link.

[Polycarp]

These guys are psychotic. Ignore them. Here's a way to sort this out, if you are willing, narses. I always used to post under my real name, until I became the target of some very nasty/dangerous harassment. My previous screen name was "Dr. Brian Kopp." Jim Robinson had allowed my to change my screen name from a prior one I used, "proud2brc." If theotokos and stillsmallvoice and cathway and editortcrnews.com are all different people (they are not) let them follow suit here and post their own names, and locations. I find that brutal honesty tends to drive psychotic game players back into their dark corners.

Sincerely,

Dr. Brian Kopp
303 Budfield St.
Johnstown, PA 15904
(814)266-6124

And I have a personal carry permit, and use it at all times, for any lurkers or other psychotics here who even think of messing with me further.

[sinkspur]

Still, you came down on my side earlier on this thread.

Nonetheless, you are making accusations about Polycarp and narses that I know to be erroneous.

Stay on topic. And keep it on the thread. It's rather gutless to resort to attacks in private e-mails.

[Polycarp]

Sorry, I didn't mean to get your hackles up by calling your attention to this, but I figured you'd want to be made aware. I wouldn't give this individual a second thought. Everyone on here knows you're a stand up guy and a first class Catholic and for this person to insinuate otherwise is just stupid.

Thanks. I think my last post pretty much put and end to this deception.

[Polycarp]

It's rather gutless to resort to attacks in private e-mails.

Thanks Sink. Would you mind forwarding his Freepmail to me for my files? You and I have had a relationship on these threads long enough, and you know me well enough, not to tolerate such things.

[sitetest]

Dear Friends,

I'll vouch for Polycarp, who walks the walk as a follower of Jesus.

I hope that those who criticize him fill their days with works of charity, or they may be shamed on the Last Day to see who it is they insulted.

sitetest

[narses]

Well met Dr. Kopp. I was told I was you. It appears we may have similar opinions. Me, I am simple. I believe what the Church teaches. I support Her and adore Our Lord. When others attack Her, I defend Her.

[Polycarp]

Thanks Sitetest.

I have the meeting with the abuse victim and the bishop and archabbot tomorrow morning, and I should not have logged on tonight. Seems the devil desires to trip me up and occupy my mind and rob my peace with trivialities such as this as I head into this meeting so vital for this poor man tomorrow.

[sitetest]

Dear Polycarp,

Tomorrow morning's Rosary will be said for you and the victim. Would it be possible to FR mail me the first name of the individual?

Thanks,

sitetest

[StillSmallVoice]

Very curious all of this. Brian Kopp reveals himself again (aka polycarp / narses); he dislikes and acts hostily (obviously) to the man he attacks again, making false and kooky accusations , because that man defends the Holy Father the Vicar of Christ and because his artices, I know, were rejected at a certain website.

Very sad. Brian Kopp----BTW, I have never known a doctor with so much time to play on computer lists (that must be another story; disability?)---- attacked the one he attacks here on this "turf" many times, the posts are all there and you may recall, and does so now whenever he can as now again, whether as narses or polycarp or as "hired" clones (see earlier posts ) as all know. Previous posts are avilable to show this.

Now he blusters again in fury because he could not pull off his disguise and could not defend the abberant views of the persecutors of the Holy father against the man he attacks yet again. Now he calls his friends (or other screen names) to join in the game? Pathetic.

This is what happens when you defend the Pope on Brian's "turf".

[Polycarp]

Brian Kopp reveals himself again (aka polycarp / narses);

Mr Hand, you truly are psychotic. Please go home to TCRNews.com and leave the Catholic Caucus here on Free Republic in peace.

[Polycarp]

Would it be possible to FR mail me the first name of the individual?

You have FReepmail.

[narses]

I will include you and your patient in my prayers as well.

[StillSmallVoice]

Jim Robinson, please note Brian Kopp's words above and "personalities". I quote:

And I have a personal carry permit, and use it at all times, for any lurkers or other psychotics here who even think of messing with me further. (See Kopp's quote above)

Now that is wrong and scary. we know we must pray for this Brian Kopp! Threats of a gun?!! Very tragic to see this dangerous weirdness displayed in the name of Christ. And he puts his phone # on the Internet?!!!!! This is hardly a stable thing to do.

Believe me, polycarp / narses....you'll here no more from us. You may need to see a doctor yourself, sir.

[StillSmallVoice]

Mr. Hand???????

[Polycarp]

Now he calls his friends (or other screen names) to join in the game? Pathetic.

Patent, siobhan, and I and several other Catholic freepers here have long "ping" lists that we use to call other Catholics to threads of interest.

Those of us running Catholic ping lists are quite well known among the Catholic Caucus here, and you would do well not to attack our members. We are a tight knit group, and we stand up for each other, even if we don't always agree on everything.

You would do well to rethink your approach with the Catholics on this forum.

[sitetest]

Dear StillSmallVoice,

I'm glad that you've uncovered this plot by Dr. Kopp to fool us all into thinking that narses is another poster other than he.

The diabolical Dr. Kopp has managed to completely fool many of us, since the character "narses" uses a distinctly different vocabulary, style of writing, and method of argumentation than than the character "Polycarp". Furthermore, Dr. Kopp has managed to create two separate identities with different points of view on a variety of topics Catholic.

O! Dr. Kopp! You despicable deceiver, you!

"Now he calls his friends (or other screen names) to join in the game?"

Oh, wait! Heck, Brian called ME to this post! Perhaps I'm just another of his screen names! Perhaps I'm... the evil Dr. Kopp!!

Whaddaya think, Brian, am I you?

sitetest

[Polycarp]

Jim Robinson, please note Brian Kopp's words above and "personalities". I quote:

Jim Robinson knows my "personalities." He is the one that personally changed my screen name from "proud2brc" to "Dr. Brian Kopp." I did that so that I would be personally responsible for every word I posted on this Forum, instead of hiding behind anonymous screen names. Obviously that was naive on my part. He also personally deleted my screen name, "Dr. Brian Kopp," which I requested be done (due to dangerous harassment I was getting.) He also knows that unlike many troublemakers, I contribute to FreeRepublic.com.

And I have a personal carry permit, and use it at all times, for any lurkers or other psychotics here who even think of messing with me further. (See Kopp's quote above) Now that is wrong and scary. we know we must pray for this Brian Kopp! Threats of a gun?!!

Idiot.

This is a pro-2nd Amendment web site! Many folks here have personal protection permits, precisely to protect themselves from psychotic individuals.

Oh, by the way, yes, please do pray for me.

I'll pray for you too.

And one last thing:

Everything I say, I'm willing to stand behind.

That is why I used my real name, and I am not afraid to post my name and number on the internet.

If you are completely honest with men and God, proficient at self defense, and confident in the knowledge that you must confess God before men you will be at peace posting your own name, address, and number here, to prove that StillSmallVoice is not the same person as theotokos, Cathway, and EditorTCRNews.com.

Its that simple. If you refuse to be courageous and honest as I have here, we know you are a psychotic troublemaker using multiple screen names to sow discord among the Catholic Caucus.

[patent]

You are acting like a fruit loop. Polycarp and narses are not the same people. Oh wait, maybe its really Antoninous/Polycarp/narses/sinkspur/patent/and every other poster on this thread who are all the same person, and its really just a trap to draw YOU in. Bwaaahhhhhaaaaahhaaahaa. We got you this time!

Its time for this thread to get pulled, its degenerated beyond lunacy.

patent

[Polycarp]

LOL! Thanks. I needed a humorous note to end this on.

Please pray my bishop and the archabbot intervene with the DA to stop this victim going to jail, and instead they pay for the reparative therapy he needs to get out of the homosexual lifestyle he entered after his abuse.

[patent]

Calm down. Your only escalating it more at this point.

patent