Letter of Cardinal Castrillon Hoyos to Mgr. Fellay

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[Antoninus]

The SSPX's demands are the same demands it has made for years. The Vatican will not accept those demands, especially that one which the SSPX would like to use to supplant the Novus Ordo by allowing priests to, willy-nilly, use the Tridentine Mass whenever they want.

Last time I checked, you were not the Pope. I'm assuming you have a "source" who has a line to Rome, but unless that source is Castrillon-Hoyos or Ratzinger or the Pope himself, I dare say that your guess is as good as the rest of ours when it comes to this question.

Fellay and company had best accept what JPII is offering;

Here we agree.

they're not going to get a more conservative Pope on this issue.

I like how you threw "on this issue" in there. I don't presume to speak for the Holy Spirit, so once again, your words are less than authoritative on this question too.

There are those in the Vatican who would walk away from the SSPX and leave it in its schism.

Sure, just as there are those at the Vatican who would like to get rid of priestly celibacy, ordain women and homosexuals, etc. In fact, they're probably the same people.

[Antoninus]

I look for a partial reunion, with the diehards following Williamson off into the weeds.

You know, Sink, if you had just made a statement like this at the very beginning, we could have saved a lot of bandwidth. This assessment is exactly what I believe will end up happening. Are you just a contrarian or what?

[StillSmallVoice]

Cleary Antonius, narses (aka polycarp), and the others are of a sectarian mind. We can only pray and offer our suffering for them and all the persecutors of the Pope, whether on the left or the right.

I think this discussion is spent. Time to move on into the real storms, even if others flee into their private utopias and dreams of a yesterday which rejects the 'now' of the Gospel, the substance of Tradition which perdures. I don't say this to be sarcastic or harsh. It is truly painful to behold the persecutor's of the Holy Faith. The only "Voice" that speaks for the Church is the Holy Father and living magisterium. To miss that is to miss everything and to reject the cornerstone of the divine Builder.

[Antoninus]

Antonius and narses, even after the latest Hoyos warning, is living in some quiet delusion, a utopia of his, theirs, and best not be disturbed.

What are you talking about? I can't speak for narses on this, but my question was asked in good faith. I don't presume to speak for the Chair of St. Peter -- I don't pretend to know what the Vatican is going to do. All we can do is speculate. To somehow insinuate that my speculation is delusional -- almost schismatic, yet yours is inspired by the Holy Spirit is a little silly, don't you think? Unless, of course, you are Cardinal Castrillon Hoyos, himself. Should we be addressing you as "Your Emminence"?

[Antoninus]

Cleary Antonius, narses (aka polycarp), and the others are of a sectarian mind. We can only pray and offer our suffering for them and all the persecutors of the Pope, whether on the left or the right.

Now you've gone right off the deep end. "Persecutors of the Pope"? Who can take such ranting seriously? There is no "left and right" -- even to use such terms is silly. There's only with Rome or not. I personally am with Rome. I would never attend an SSPX mass as long as they are in schism. I've spent much more time arguing with SSPXers who denigrate Rome than with Catholics who seem to despise the idea of their reconciliation.

Time to move on into the real storms, even if others flee into their private utopias and dreams of a yesterday which rejects the 'now' of the Gospel, the substance of Tradition which perdures.

I don't know what this internally paradoxical statement means. Such "dreams of yesterday" ARE a recognition and appreciation for Tradition. There is no tyranny of "the now". Things will change and are changing. I personally believe that this change will move us away from the silly modernist position that many in the Church have taken which rejects the traditional moral teachings of the Church and declares whatever is "innovative" no matter how irreverent or silly, to be good. There is currently a great re-appreciation for the traditional teachings and the traditional liturgies - our patrimony. What was old has become new again.

If you find the holding of this belief to be "persecuting the Pope", then it is you who may be delusional.

The only "Voice" that speaks for the Church is the Holy Father and living magisterium.

Duh! Perhaps that's why I was asking the question as to what you folks would do if the Pope reconciled with the SSPX on their terms. Why some of you won't answer that question is mystifying to me. As for myself, no matter what the Pope decides on the SSPX, THAT'S FINE WITH ME!

See, I can answer the question.

[Antoninus]

Cleary Antonius, narses (aka polycarp), and the others are of a sectarian mind. We can only pray and offer our suffering for them and all the persecutors of the Pope, whether on the left or the right.

Since you're a newbie, I should tell you that it's considered slightly impolite to call someone a "Persecutor of the Pope" and not include them in the "To" line....

[narses]

You have neither truth nor charity in your post. Why would you slander people you do not know this way?

Your post is eerily reminscent of the last "end" post made by "The Editor" SH. I asked you before, is that you? Are we to be treated by your disappearance after your slanders as we were by his?

[narses]

LOL, my pleasure. (Romulus is a NON weird choice?) :)

[StillSmallVoice]

Note the question which shows again (in addition to his posts) narses obsessive alter ego. See ( narses' / Polycarp's) obsession with "SH" which is curious in the extreme. He invariably ends up bringing up "SH" ....like one haunted...

Cc.TCRNews.com editor

[narses]

Except you are the one with the problem, claiming I am polycarp (I am not), claiming things about others that aren't true (see you basing of other posters on this thread), posting lies about the SSPX and then retracting them. You really seem out for a fight. Why is that?

[Polycarp]

narses (aka polycarp),

I can assure you that polycarp i.e., myself, and narses are two different people.

Most of the Catholic Caucus here knows who I am.

I'm pretty sure that the admin moderator can tell us if "narses" and myself use the same ISP.

Likewise they can tell us if "StillSmallVoice" is using the same ISP as either "EditorTCRNews" or "Cathway."

I have only one screen name.

Using more than one is a violation of FR rules.

Do me a favor: In the future leave me out of your paranoid conspiracy theories, OK?

[Polycarp]

Note the question which shows again (in addition to his posts) narses obsessive alter ego. See ( narses' / Polycarp's) obsession with "SH" which is curious in the extreme. He invariably ends up bringing up "SH" ....like one haunted...

Dear admin moderator:

Could you kindly straighten out this new poster, tell him I use only one screen name and warn him to stop the personal insults? I don't have time for this BS.

[StillSmallVoice]

Right. Sure.

[Polycarp]

Cleary Antonius, narses (aka polycarp), and the others are of a sectarian mind.

Dear Antoninus:

I don't know who this sanctimonious ass is, and frankly I have not reviewed enough of this thread to care to figure it out.

Clearly he is a "Catholic" attempting to sow discord among the Catholic Caucus here and is obsessed with maligning me for some reason. His screen name is relatively new, but it sounds like he's been here before.

Anyhow, you know me and what I do here and what I stand for as a Catholic.

I'd recommend avoiding this "newbie."

[Antoninus]

I don't know who this sanctimonious ass is, and frankly I have not reviewed enough of this thread to care to figure it out. Clearly he is a "Catholic" attempting to sow discord among the Catholic Caucus here and is obsessed with maligning me for some reason. His screen name is relatively new, but it sounds like he's been here before. Anyhow, you know me and what I do here and what I stand for as a Catholic.

Sorry, I didn't mean to get your hackles up by calling your attention to this, but I figured you'd want to be made aware. I wouldn't give this individual a second thought. Everyone on here knows you're a stand up guy and a first class Catholic and for this person to insinuate otherwise is just stupid.

[StillSmallVoice]

StillSmallVoice; Admin Moderator; Jim Robinson

Not to worry. As I said earlier, this conversation with narses / polycarp is over.

[narses]

Is it? Why did you email me with your games? Why do you persist in insisting I am polycarp when we both have assured you we are different people?

[Polycarp]

Good.

Members of the Catholic Caucus here already, in this short period of time, understand that Theotokos/StillSmallVoice are the same two posters as Cathway/EditorTCRNews.

Most of them know that I am Dr. Brian Kopp, and they know my track record here as a Catholic apologist and pro-lifer. I had to change my screen name because of harassing phone calls at my office from one or several FReepers. I had always assumed those FReepers were anti-Catholics or homosexual/abortion advocates.

Maybe I was wrong on that.

Regardless, I will not tolerate two "newbies" coming on thuis Forum and personally insulting me and sullying my good name. I am pinging other members of the Catholic Caucus here, who know me quite well from my work and witness here, simply to warn them that we have folks trying to sow discord among the Catholic Caucus here.

This is not TCRNews.com.

You are on Freerepublic.com. This is our turf, not yours.

Take your hatred and troublemaking elsewhere.