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To: ArrogantBustard
Forgot to comment on this:

The people were quite willing to talk, although the content of their conversation might best be summed up as "If you don't get out of that false novus ordo church, you're gonna go to HELL!!!". Again, I speak the truth. It's becoming increasingly clear that you can't handle the truth. Pity.

The reason that I find this difficult to believe is because I have been attending an SSPX Chapel for some years now and I have never heard anyone make a stupid, silly, outrageous comment like this. That one, fanatical, ill-informed parishioner might say this is not impossible, but I find it highly unlikely that everyone that you talked to that day voiced this opinion. I have always found the parishioners in my Chapel and in others that I have visited, most welcoming to strangers. In a Chapel I attended in the mid-west recently, the coordinator greeted me as I left the Chapel, asked if I were new to the area, and said that if I had any questions he would be glad to answer them, but suggested that the Pastor was the best source. He added that he hoped he would see me again.

63 posted on 07/22/2002 12:58:39 PM PDT by Orual
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To: Orual
Dear Orual,

If you read the websites for which I gave URLs, you'll find that ArrogantBustard's story tracks closely with the history of the chapel in question. Thus, the outline of AB's detail is confirmed independently of AB.

That the people at this chapel told him that he would go to Hell if he didn't leave the "Novus Ordo church" is pretty much confirmed by reading one of the websites to which I provided a URL: www.traditio.com. On this site, the Holy Catholic Church is called the "false Novus Ordo church".

That the SSPX would associate with individuals like this kind of weakens their claim to be in communion with the Holy See. If I were a Catholic priest of any sort, I would not consent to say Mass in a church which belonged to a group that called the Holy Catholic Church led by the Bishop of Rome the "false Novus Ordo church".

You said to AB, in part: "Your hatred for the SSPX is pathological and based on one experience which I doubt the veracity of."

At this point to call into question that AB attended this chapel, and to question that it was as he described, is to deny the independent evidence that has been provided to you without any effort on your part. That, indeed, is calumny.

"It is difficult to believe that you could have attended a beautiful, dignified, traditional Mass and that you left filled with such hatred and bile."

It's apparent that AB didn't attend a "beautiful, dignified, traditional Mass...". It's quite apparent that AB attended an illicit Mass (I will give the benefit of the doubt that it was valid) in a church which, at the time, was in schism, and in calling the Holy Catholic Church the "false Novus Ordo church", was verging on the heresy of Martin Luther.

Here is a typical comment from the website of the folks who previously "owned" this parish:

"What you are mistakenly calling the "Church" is the Novus Ordo apparatus. That's not the Church, never was, and never will be. Being with the Church is being with Christ, with His teaching, the Catholic and Apostolic Deposit of Faith coming from Him. Without that, the Novus Ordo can call itself Catholic all it wants, but it isn't."

Here's what they think of the indult:

"Since Protocol 1411 of 1999, there are no exclusively traditional priests in the "indult" (diocesan) framework. All "indult" priests are forced to say the Novus Ordo every now and again to prove their fidelity to the New Order. Therefore, the notion of the "indult," which was flawed from the beginning by coopting it into the Novus Ordo, now can't even put up the pretense of being exclusively traditional. This includes the priests of the "indult" societies as well as the diocesan "indult" priests."

You've been provided with the URLs, if you don't believe me. Go read them yourself.

sitetest

66 posted on 07/22/2002 4:20:22 PM PDT by sitetest
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