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To: TotusTuus
So what you're saying, all boiled down with the clever words taken out of it, is that whatever "the Church" decides to do is "God's Will."

Oh, and where are those apostles you mention? Not aware that they're still around.

Seems you have some pieces missing.

96 posted on 07/17/2002 8:38:12 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: Illbay
So what you're saying, all boiled down with the clever words taken out of it, is that whatever "the Church" decides to do is "God's Will."

I'll go ahead and say... In matters of faith and morals (perhaps a missing piece?) - Yes. Except that it's backwards. The Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Christ, leads the Church to discern and effectuate the Will of God. Certainly the Will of God is anterior to His Church. Both issues taken up by Prof. Wills, of womens' ordination and the vow of celibacy for priests, are in this category. In his article he does not mention God once or attempt a theologically reasoned thesis on these issues.

Words are clever entities, aren't they? Vibrational waves emanating from our throats, striking tympanic membranes, converted to electical signals in the brain and we can communicate the deepest thoughts of our souls. In this case it's striking keyboards... God "spoke" but one Word to us all!

Oh, and where are those apostles you mention? Not aware that they're still around.

They're around. They're very much alive, more so than us, contemplating the Beatific Vision of God! With the possible exception of Judas Iscariot - may there still be hope for his soul!

Of course, in terms of their ministry here on earth related to their office as Apostles - their successors, through the sacrament of Holy Orders, are the bishops in union with the Pope. And that strikes at the problem with Garry Wills article. It is all about the sacrament of Holy Orders, except he fails to mention it. That is simply untenable.

Seems you have some pieces missing.

I suppose it would be called 'Faith'. The short "catechism" was meant to help you and other non-Catholics understand a Catholic perspective concerning the nature of the Church. And therefore obtain an ability to understand how ridiculous Prof. Wills article really is, at least for a Catholic. For all I know you could be a buddhist?

98 posted on 07/17/2002 11:25:23 PM PDT by TotusTuus
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