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On Islam [Hilaire Belloc]
Catholic-Pages ^ | 1919 | Hilaire Belloc

Posted on 07/02/2002 12:01:55 PM PDT by JMJ333

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1 posted on 07/02/2002 12:01:55 PM PDT by JMJ333
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To: Siobhan; *Catholic_list
le ping! =)
2 posted on 07/02/2002 12:03:52 PM PDT by JMJ333
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To: EODGUY

3 posted on 07/02/2002 12:23:26 PM PDT by JMJ333
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To: PA Lurker; kstewskis
bump
4 posted on 07/02/2002 12:26:34 PM PDT by JMJ333
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To: JMJ333
Belloc Bump
5 posted on 07/02/2002 1:55:07 PM PDT by polemikos
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To: polemikos
Thanks...and welcome to FR.
6 posted on 07/02/2002 2:05:50 PM PDT by JMJ333
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To: JMJ333
This granite permanence is a most striking thing, and worthy of serious consideration by all those who meditate on the spiritual, and, consequently, the social, future of the world.

A fatwa on "heretics" and "defectors" is a powerful tool.
Death threats have a way of focusing a follower's mind.
There can never be a "moderate" Islam because of this.
Moderate words with double meanings (as we have seen), perhaps.
"Moderate" political agreements that are repudiated at their convenience.
All in all, Islam sounds more like the mafia than a religion.
7 posted on 07/02/2002 3:04:37 PM PDT by polemikos
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To: JMJ333; Antoninus; sandyeggo; frogandtoad; saradippity; maryz; Jeff Chandler; ken5050; Slyfox; ...
le pong!

;^)

8 posted on 07/02/2002 3:22:52 PM PDT by Siobhan
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To: Siobhan
hehehe...thanks.
9 posted on 07/02/2002 3:24:32 PM PDT by JMJ333
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To: JMJ333
Vive Belloc!
10 posted on 07/02/2002 3:50:30 PM PDT by B-Chan
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To: JMJ333; polemikos
This is so true and I'm glad you posted this. There are a couple of Muslim posters on this very site who believe "that Islam will one day revitalize Christianity in its moral decline". I paraphrase that but their intent is there. We need to be on our toes. They do not have good intentions toward us.
11 posted on 07/02/2002 4:14:18 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Siobhan
le pong aussi!
12 posted on 07/02/2002 4:14:34 PM PDT by Domestic Church
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To: goldenstategirl
Considering the advance of Islam towards Vienna during the Reformation, allowing the Reformation to take hold, we need to watch the current Church crisis carefully, as it happening along with an increase in Islamic culture here. We already see an unofficial schism between many of the Bishops and the Magisterium. Let's pray history doesn't repeat over the next century or so.
13 posted on 07/02/2002 4:32:12 PM PDT by Domestic Church
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To: Domestic Church
You're right. I think they are sensing weakness and moving in. Italy is flooded with Muslims right now as are many other parts of Europe.

We should no longer doubt their motivations and intent.

14 posted on 07/02/2002 4:39:03 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: goldenstategirl
Agreed....and good to see you. =)
15 posted on 07/02/2002 4:40:32 PM PDT by JMJ333
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To: goldenstategirl
Oh, and on the trivial side...Belloc was handsome in his younger years! lol
16 posted on 07/02/2002 4:41:32 PM PDT by JMJ333
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To: B-Chan
Merci!
17 posted on 07/02/2002 4:47:04 PM PDT by JMJ333
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To: JMJ333
Or again "You say that without priests and without sacraments and without all the apparatus of your religion, down to the use of visible images, religion may not survive? Islam is there to give you the lie. Its religion is intense, its spiritual life permanent. Yet it has constantly repudiated all these things. It is violently antisacramental; it has no priesthood; it wages fierce war on all symbols in the use of worship."

There was a program on EWTN not long ago that described the catholic conversions that took place in Japan during the 16th century. At the end of the program, however, it mentioned that the surviving "remnant" went into hiding. They were assured that one day a missionary would arrive on their shores and reopen a particular church. They would recognize the validity of the missionary by his good works and devotion to the statue of the Blessed Virgin Mary (or words to that effect). As I recall, for several generations, they kept true to the faith, without any priest to minister to them. This is their story.


Christian faith was first introduced into Japan in the sixteenth century by Jesuit and later by Franciscan missionaries. By the end of that century, there were probably about 300,000 baptized believers in Japan.
     Unfortunately, this promising beginning met reverses, brought about by rivalries between different groups of missionaries and political intrigues by the Spanish and Portuguese governments, along with power politics among factions in the Japanese government itself. The result was a suppression of Christians.
      The first victims were six Franciscan friars and twenty of their converts, who were executed at Nagasaki on 5 February 1597. (They were tied to crosses, the crosses were raised to an upright position, and they were then quickly stabbed to death by a soldier with a javelin.) After a short interval of relative tolerance, many other Christians were arrested, imprisoned for life, or tortured and killed; and the Church was totally driven underground by 1630. However, when Japan was re-opened to Western contacts 250 years later, it was found that a community of Japanese Christians had survived underground, without clergy, without Scriptures, with only very sketchy instructions in the doctrines of the faith, but with a firm commitment to Jesus as Lord. (I remind you that 250 years is a long time -- 250 years ago Americans were loyal subjects of King George II. The preceding statement is valid only until 2010.)

by James Kiefer  
 

February 5,1997 marks the 400th anniversary of the first Christian martyrs in Japan. The Japanese martyrs became Christians as a result of the witness of Roman Catholic missionaries who first arrived in Japan with the Portugese in 1543. The Jesuit priest Francis Xavier, whose mission work between 1549-1551 from Kyushu to Kyoto, laid the foundation for the future Christian church in Japan. In 1563, Omura Sumitada became the first daimyo baptized by a Jesuit priest. The first church was built in Kyoto in 1576. According to Martin Repp of the NCC Center for the Study of Japanese Religions, "between 1579 and 1582 the early missionary work was revised under Father Alessandro Valignano, one of the few who understood that Christianity had to loose its European flavor in order to become acceptable to the Japanese" (Martin Repp, "Introduction" Japanese Religions, Vol. 19 No. 1&2, Jan. 1994, p.1).
    Because of unrest among his subjects attributed to Christians, Shogun Hideyoshi issued in 1587 the first decree banishing the propoagation of the Christian faith. After a century of civil war, he feared unrest that might lead to peasant revolts. He stated that the religions of Shinto and Buddhism were the only religions of Japan. Nevertheless, for ten years Christian missionaries enjoyed toleration in a restricted way. After the arrival of Spanish priests of the Franciscan and Dominican orders in the beginning of the 1590's, rivalry and quarrel arose among the Christian missionaries. The conflict was also between different European nationals. In 1596 the "San Filipe" incident dealt a serious blow to the Christian mission. The Spanish ship "San Filipe" ran aground and its cargo containing a lot of ammunition was confiscated. The ship's pilot was said to have told during interrogation that Spanish colonial expansion was normally proceeded by missionaries preparing the way for military conquest. This argument was taken up very quickly by the Japanese rulers.
    In 1597 Jesuits and Franciscans were taken prisoner in the capital (the Jesuits were released soon due to their connection with the court) and twenty-six Christians, Japanese and foreigners, were executed in Nagasaki, becoming the first martyrs in Japan. The Rev. Sigfrid Schneider describes an incident from the martyrdom on February 5, 1597," On the way up the hill a nobleman tempted the youngest boy, Louis Ibaragi, who was only twelve years old to renounce his faith, He would not yield but eagerly asked: 'Where is my cross?' When they pointed out the smallest one to him he immediately embraced it and held on to it as a child clings to his toy." (Sigfried Schneider, Ofm, The 26 Martyrs of Japan, Chuo Press, 1980, p. 16)
    In spite of local persecutions, the Roman Catholic mission continued to expand. Finally, in 1614, Shogun Ieyasu issued the edict of persecution and ensured its implementation: churches were destroyed, foreign missionaries were expelled, and Japanese Christians tortured and killed. From this time on Christians went into hiding and were known as Kakure Kirishitan (Hidden Christians). In 1637/38 the "Shimabara Rebellion," a peasant uprising in Kyushu under Christian leadership, was put down. In reaction to the turmoil caused by this last attempt at survival, the government closed the country to Roman Catholic traders as well as Christian missionaries. The contact with the West was henceforth strictly controlled. As an annual procedure, fumi-e (stepping on a metal image of Christ or Mary) was performed and Japanese had to publically confess that they had nothing to do with Christianity. In spite of the most cruel persecution, some Christians managed to survive and worshipped Christ in secret or under the guise of other religious rituals or tea ceremonies. Persecution of Christians continued until 1854 when Japan was opened by Commodore Perry.
 

18 posted on 07/02/2002 4:49:46 PM PDT by NYer
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To: JMJ333; B-Chan; Siobhan
I love Belloc. He was a bellicose, unapologetic Catholic, my kinda guy!
19 posted on 07/02/2002 4:56:10 PM PDT by Polycarp
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To: NYer
Thanks for the historical insight!
20 posted on 07/02/2002 4:57:23 PM PDT by JMJ333
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