Catholic: American seer was sent into 'dark exile' after cloister split with modern nuns

Spirit Daily ^ | J+M+J 26 June A.D. 2002 | Michael Brown

[Siobhan]

More articles on Sister Neuzil and her visions may be found through this link.

[Siobhan]

Little known American nun who had visions of Mary and who suffered greatly through the liberalization and devastation of her order after Vatican II.

FYI

[RobbyS]

Clericalism is the cause of all this. The irony is that "progressive"priests/nuns who denounced those within the hierachy who opposed their reforms have never hesitated to violate the rights of the laity.

[HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity]

The Church was captured by modern American counter-culture during the 1970s.

We are seeing the results of the worst elements within the Catholic community (activist liberals) seizing control of institutions and religious orders, subjecting almost everything to a frenzied revolution of iconoclasm, liturgical minimalism, dissent, goofy socialism, alternative lifestyles, and weirdness in general. Much that goes on in AmChurch has very little to do with authentic and orthodox Catholicism. AmChurch reflects Catholicism about as accurately as the PC, multicultural, liberal extremists in the Democratic Party represent the U.S. Constitution. Indeed, the language of relativism on homosexuality is about the same.

[Catholicguy]

"But here is a fact: the bishops of the United States were granted prescient warnings of the coming Church crisis by the Blessed Mother in apparitions to an Ohio nun named Sister Mildred Mary Ephrem Neuzil, and had the bishops listened to what the Virgin requested, they would have staved off or at least greatly lessened the recent damage"

I was looking on the links section to read where the Bishop officially declared these were supernatural events. I didn't find any.

Are there any links to information verifying this apparition was officiallly approved?

[Catholicguy]

I see Michael Brown is leading pilgrimages to Medj. Hasn't the Vatican and at least two local Ordinaries, among others, called for a cessation of pilgrimages to Medj and haven't two consecutive Bishops declared, in writing, that the alleged "seers" thee are liars and that there is no evidence of Mary appearing there?

Personally, I take what this gentleman says with a mine full of salt.

[Siobhan]

I don't know, Catholicguy. I myself have nothing to do with Medjugorge. I have ordered a little book about this Sister's visions, and it is supposed to carry the hihil obstat of the late Archbishop of Cinci. I'll let you know when I get it if there is any more info.

[Siobhan]

nihil not hihil

[Theresa]

"I see Michael Brown is leading pilgrimages to Medj. Hasn't the Vatican and at least two local Ordinaries, among others, called for a cessation of pilgrimages to Medj and haven't two consecutive Bishops declared, in writing, that the alleged "seers" thee are liars and that there is no evidence of Mary appearing there? "

I don't know about all of that. My understanding is that the apparitions have not been declared either true of false. Until they are priests, and bishops cannot lead pilgrimages to Medg. Because that would give the impression that the Church has said the phenomenon there are officially approved and they are not. I think a lay person can lead pilgrimages there but may not give the slightest impression that the Church is sponsoring him in doing so. Something like that. Check this out and see if you agree with how I understand it. It's EWTN's explaination http://www.ewtn.com/expert/expertfaqframe.asp?source=/vexperts/conference.htm

[sitetest]

Dear Theresa,

Thanks for the link. Very enlightening.

sitetest

[WriteOn]

That sux.

I've never seen that site before. Looks amazingly like Drudge. I'm bookmarking it for perusing. Thank you.

[Catholicguy]

"I don't know about all of that. My understanding is that the apparitions have not been declared either true of false"

Mgr. Pavao Zanic, Bishop of Mostar "For a short description of the falsehoods aboit Medjugorje, we would need two hundred pages...speaking of Vicka, Marija and little Jakov when they viisted him Jan 14, 1982 "It was clear to me they were lying."...April 4, 1982 anothewr visit with the "sers." "It was clear to me that Vicka was lying, and thios was proof enough for me not to trust her statements. Marija and Jakov also participated in this lie...So we can conmclude that Marija has consciously spoken falsehoods on the first or second occasion. She has lied, and this she sttributes to Our Lady. It is evident she (Marija) is a toy in Fr. Vlasic's hand...These are original fonts (Ivan's Diary) yet they are full of naive statements, clear falsehoods and aabsurdities. They are good proof of the fact thatthe "seers" do not see Our Lady or receive messages from her..What have they done to you, Our Lady! For nine years they have been dragging you along as a tourist attraction. They have been speaking with you whenever it plesed them, as if you were a bank teller. They have fabricated messages, and they say that you come and appear there, but beyond their own arguements they have nothing to prove what they say is true....Unfortunately, this false sensation will bring great disgrace and scandal upon the Church. Those who lead the events are not converting, even though the threat of the abolition of the Province bu the General hangs over them....

From "medjugorge After fifteen years" by Michael Davies There are many more damning statements in this book, but I will link to another site where one can read for themselves

[Catholicguy]

Medjugorje Documents link

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http://members.tripod.com/~cho nak/documents/

[Catholicguy]

The statement I quoted from that was reproduced in the book I cited, is posted on that link under "recent additions"

[Siobhan]

Unfortunately, in today's climate one wonders whether or not to believe a bishop at all....

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

Interesting post. I've never heard of this before. I've always felt a little left out here in America because we don't have any Lourdes or Fatimas. We could surely use some Divine help and inspiration now.

[Catholicguy]

Have these two Bishops beeen accused of nefarious activities? It appears to me it is the "seers" who are not trustworthy.

But, your post points to a fear that I have about all these alleged messages, apparitons etc. I think they do tend to undermine the Hierarchy as established by Jesus. If Mary really has appeared over 26,000 times at Medjugorje, then it must mean that the Bishops and the Pope have been rendered superfluous and we can rely on Heaven directly.

Mary, the seers say, contradicted the Pope about a priest he had suspended a divinis. Now, just how many folks are there, do you think, that will think Mary does oppose the Pope and has authority over him?

These false apparitions have mushroomed since the 1960's and people do seek for signs and that is not spiritually healthy. The last thing we need is more confusion and diffusion and confused lines of authority within the Body of Christ

[Catholicguy]

Marija Pavolic, one of the supposed "seers," had a series of "visions" upon request. I suppose you could contact her or her agent.

She was in Alabama, she stayed with Terry Colafrancesco, and, at his reequest, had 53 consecutive days of visions in a field he had purchased for $400,000.00.

"A Mr. Cyril Auboyneau, Miss Pavolic's translator, confirmed that Colafrancesco asked fro a vision in the filed; "Terry wanted a vision in the field under that tree -
he prayed abpout it. So we asked Marija to ask Our Lady is she would appear in the field on Thanksgiving Day. Our Lady said she would appear in the filed."

Mr. C headed Caritas, a promoter of Medjugorje. So, the Rolling Stones were wrong when they sang "You can't always get what you want." You can....

[Siobhan]

My point is that in today's environment in America, who are people more likely to believe as truthful -- a group of teenagers or a Catholic bishop? A group of teenagers (even if hysterical, delusional, or diabolical) will have the upper hand. The automatic prestige that attended a bishop's pronouncements is no more. And in any dispute for the time being, ordinary folk will believe that the bishop is the problem and not the alleged seers.

The apparitions have always upset the hierarchy of the Church ..... 3rd secret of Fatima, anyone?

The big problem, the dead elephant in the living room, is that most Catholics do not get a substantial diet of real preaching and holiness of life from their clergy. Because we do not receive solid challenging teaching in line with the Catechism and the teaching of the Holy Father, many are drawn to alleged seers, messages, and apparitions. Why? I suspect it is because the average Catholic is desperate for evidence that God is alive and hasn't forgotten about them -- evidence they do not experience in their parish as they try to sift through liturgical belly dancers, cinammon buns for the Eucharist, rainbow banners, sashes, and chasubles, and Father "Light-on-his-feet" swishing about the sacristy....

[Siobhan]

We could surely use some Divine help and inspiration now.

We sure could, and that is why we need to be careful and cautious about alleged apparitions, and redouble our faithfulness to God through the clear means of Grace he has given us. As Fr. Benedict always says, "If you want a miracle, go to Mass. If you want a message, read the Bible"