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To: fortheDeclaration
I wonder if you guys even read what you write! He who comes to me, I will in no wise cast out when no one can come to Him unless God elects them first?
He is under no obligation to save anyone? The question isn't obligation, but what does He want and scripture teaches He wants all men to be saved. Hence, your running to secret counsels and two wills to explain away clear Scripture for a false philosophical supposition.

Jhn 6:65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

He will not cast out any that come to Him dec..those that come are sent by the Father..

According to Calvinism Man is a sinful state because God placed him in that state.

Man is spiritually dead because of the choice of Adam..God gave Adam free will..and Adam chose to sin..and mans will has never been free since. Mans will is in bondage to sin. That is why man will never freely choose God. He can not. His will is in bondage. ONLY Gods grace can free mans will and restore it to a true free will. Once it has been freed man desires God ,and freely chooses Him

Do not attribute the sin of Adam to God..

Man is going to Hell, because God chose not to save him.

Man is going to hell because man chooses to go to hell. No one will be in hell that does not deserve it or that does not choose it.. Spurgeon's maxim stands true: Salvation is all of grace?damnation is all of sin.

57 posted on 06/23/2002 10:57:06 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7; xzins; winstonchurchill; Revelation 911
Jhn 6:65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father. He will not cast out any that come to Him dec..those that come are sent by the Father..

He also said that when He was lifted up He would draw all men to Him. (Jn.12:32)

According to Calvinism Man is a sinful state because God placed him in that state. Man is spiritually dead because of the choice of Adam..God gave Adam free will..and Adam chose to sin..and mans will has never been free since.

Read your Calvinism!

Adam sinned because God willed it! Thus, the sin state mankind is in is because God wanted it that way. You deny permissive will (even though you love to use the word), and state that everything that happens happens because God wants it to happen (good and bad). Pink went so far as to say that man acts unconsciously when he acts to fullfill God's sovereign decree.

Mans will is in bondage to sin. That is why man will never freely choose God. He can not. His will is in bondage. ONLY Gods grace can free mans will and restore it to a true free will. Once it has been freed man desires God ,and freely chooses Him

Nice little story, any scripture to back it up? I mean contextual scripture not this wrenched out of context nonsense you keep throwing out!

Now, why can't God provide the light (2Cor.4:6) so man can see the issue and them make a decision for God.

Oh, that cannot be because the elect have already been chosen in eternity based on the sovereign will of God.

So what is all this TULIP garbage you keep trying to peddle when the real issue is unconditional vs conditional election.

The reason man cannot choose for God isn't because of his sinful state, but rather God put him in that sinful state so man couldn't choose Him!

Calvinists love producing smoke to keep people away from the real 'fire' the eternal decree where everything started, with God's Decision

TULIP is a nothing but an attempt to keep people arguing about man's state now and not ask the real question, 'how did he get in this state' and 'why won't God save everyone'?

Do not attribute the sin of Adam to God..

Why shouldn't I, Calvin does! Augustine does!

They may not say it that way, but they concede that everything happened because God Decreed it that way according to His directive will.

You yourself said that there could not be any will that went against God's will, so when Adam sinned he was doing exactly what God wanted him to do.

Do not complain, that is your system-live with it!

Man is going to Hell, because God chose not to save him. Man is going to hell because man chooses to go to hell. No one will be in hell that does not deserve it or that does not choose it..

Did not choose it? Could they 'choose' otherwise? Did not God make that 'choice' for them? God created them just to throw them into the lake of Fire-well, praise God!

Any objective reason He chose you and not someone else? No? And God isn't arbitrary?

Spurgeon's maxim stands true: Salvation is all of grace?damnation is all of sin.

Nice little maxim, but where did sin come from? It came from the Sovereign Eternal Decree of God!

The god of Calvin is the ultimate source of everything that happens in the Universe.

All the tap-dancing, word twisting, and denials cannot change the fact that your god-less system makes God the author of sin, death and hell and is responsible for it by not just permitting it, but actually wanting it.

You have been deceived into worshipping a false god (2Cor.4:4)

71 posted on 06/24/2002 1:04:20 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration
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