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Rom 9:16 So then [it is] not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. 17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. 18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will [have mercy], and whom he will he hardeneth. 19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? 20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed [it], Why hast thou made me thus? 21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? Do you deny that God chose Jacob while he was in the womb?

That is correct, He chose Jacob as representing the nation that He would bless.

Note that the choice occured in time and not in eternity.

Note also that it had nothing to do with salvation

Does scripture lie here? This chapter speaks to Gods sovereignity and the way he acts. God elects Nations and individuals

Yes, God does elect both nations and individuals but never to salvation, unless faith if foreseen (1Pet.1:2)

Are nations not made up of individuals ? Does your God lie?

Nations (Edom and Israel) were foreseen in their destines, which had nothing to do with individual salvation, which is what your own Calvinist theologian conceded in my post on Romans 9.

Have you read Ephesians? Eph 1:3 Blessed [be] the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly [places] in Christ: Eph 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: Eph 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, Eph 1:6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

Gee, I see predestination to adoption which comes after salvation.

I see chosen in Christ, so no one is chosen unless they are in Christ and how do you get in Christ? Through faith in Christ.

Then, God choses you to be adopted, and conformed to His image (Predestination)

All of those are foreseen by God, not forordained through unconditional election (which is nowhere in the Bible)

Was Jacob a man? Did God Elect him? Nations are made up of People..Did God Elect the nation of Israel from all the other nations?

Gee, I see predestination to adoption which comes after salvation. I see chosen

Dec you need to read this carefully...It does NOT say he adopted us then predestioned us..(your reading) It says Eph 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

he presestined our adoption

I know you do not like that ..but that is what it says..God predestines individuals to salvation dec..Paul knew that ...