First, Rom.9 has nothing to do with individual salvation, but the fate of two peoples (nations) Israel and Edom And the Lord said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels, and the one people shall be stronger than the other people and the elder shall serve the younger(Gen.25). Pretty crowded womb there dec... There were two individuals that would indeed BECOME (predestined) nations..but first they were individuials..one of which God loved and the other he hated..

No, it is not referring to the individuals but the nations, as the verse in Gen.25 makes very clear.

Moreover, just because it states in Rom 9 'before they did neither good or evil' doesn't mean that God did not foresee what each one would do with the inheritance,(Gen.25:34) thus, Esau was rejected and Israel accepted.

Just as the Davidic line was called while Sauls line rejected because God foresaw that Saul would reject Him. (1Sam15)

Rom 9:10 And not only [this]; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, [even] by our father Isaac; Rom 9:11 (For [the children] being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;) PREDESTINATED You hate that don't you dec?

I hate how Calvinists missuse the term.

Nowhere does predestination ever refer to individual salvation.

It refers to inheritance,(Eph.1:11) adoption,(Eph.1:5) and being comformed to Christ's image (Rom.8:29)

Not one of those verses is referring to salvation, everyone is referring to a post-salvation result.

You have a cultic mentality.

You quote John 3:3 and take see to mean desire, totally bizarre!

'See' in the English language can mean to come to know, to understand, to be aware of, to discover hence, no one can see (i.e. understand, discover, understand) the Kingdom of God until they are born again.

Nowhere is see used for desire.

But, hey this is Calvinism we are talkng about so it doesn't have to make sense, just find a passage to squeeze into whatever shape you need.

So, just keep quoting your meaningless prove texts and keep telling yourself that Allah, I mean God is great!

You hate that God chose you don't you dec..Hey maybe you might have to fall on your face in graditude .

Mal 1:2 I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? [Was] not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob,

Mal 1:3 And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness

The Jesuits love ya dec..you fight the reformation for them.

.Eph 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

predestined to adoption dec...not a position or a ministry ...adoption...God is God or you are..only one can be God