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To: Matchett-PI
And after all that, you inexplicably ask once more: "...did Adam have a free will or not?" Erasmus ... is that you?

Well, I guess you are saying I am right as to question one, that Luther would be viewed as an 'infralapsarian'.

But I'm not sure about no. 2. Are you saying God viewed Adam as 'fallen' before he was created and therefore 'reprobated' him? Does that mean that, in your view (or Luther's if you wish), God predestined Adam to fall? So, Adam had no free will, is that true?

If so, that strikes me as circuitous. The Calvinist definition of sin (which in turn 'justifies' pre-selected damanation (whether or not by passed-over theory)) is based on imputation from the sin of Adam. So, in Calvinist theory, what was Adam's sin to impute to regard him as fallen and therefore justify being 'reprobated', all before he sinned?

13 posted on 06/14/2002 2:49:29 PM PDT by winstonchurchill
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To: winstonchurchill
" ...So, Adam had no free will, is that true?"

He had as much free will as Judas and the Romans had.

You con't... "If so, that strikes me as circuitous. The Calvinist definition of sin (which in turn 'justifies' pre-selected damanation (whether or not by passed-over theory)) is based on imputation from the sin of Adam. So, in Calvinist theory, what was Adam's sin to impute to regard him as fallen and therefore justify being 'reprobated', all before he sinned?"

Why do you keep bringing Calvin's name up? This thread is about Luther who believed in double predestination.

And you keep asking questions that were answered in the paper about Luther's teachings that I posted above. Didn't you read it? If so, please re-read it and see if you can find your answer in what Luther taught.

14 posted on 06/14/2002 3:50:55 PM PDT by Matchett-PI
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