[Matchett-PI]

"Calvinists have asserted that faith and repentance are works."

Prove it. Quote them. Name, date, reply # and thread reference.

Unless you can do it you need to retract that statement to avoid being charged with using the same sort of disengenuous tactics that are used by Clintoon to mislead his useful idiots.

[RnMomof7]

I wondered about that too MPI..I have never read a Calvinist say that faith or repentance are works??? Good thread!

[Frumanchu]

The definition of works he is using is not the same as one a Calvinist would use to describe them. The difference is in the author of the work. Is it the man or the Holy Spirit who authors the work? He's seeing it in the Mosaic sense as a work which merits something, as opposed to the Pauline sense in which it is enabled and accomplished by the Holy Spirit through the person.

[Hank Kerchief]

"Calvinists have asserted that faith and repentance are works."

Prove it. Quote them. Name, date, reply # and thread reference.

Matchet, for mercy's sake, this is only a forum, not a congressional investigation. I'm not accusing anyone of anything. It is just that on some occasions, when someone makes an argument such as that based on Acts 16:30 "And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house," that one must do something to be saved, and that something is to "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ," some Calvinists have protested the argument is for "works salvation."

If none of them have ever said that, then I'm mistaken, period. Nevertheless, I'm quite sure I've seen it on this forum, but if not, I've certainly read it elsewhere.

Really, Matchett-PI, you need to lighten up a little bit. Everybody knows there is disagreement here, else there wouldn't be any discussion. It is the reason for the discussion. But if no one is allowed to express their veiws in the best light they can, there won't be any discussion.

If Calvinists do not hold that believing on the Lord Jesus Christ is a work, than they will have no objection to the argument that, what one must "do" to be save is to "believe on the Lord Jesus Christ," period, because doing that is not doing work.

Hank