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To: hopespringseternal
A true discussion does not hinge on one word in one verse. That is a niggling detail.

OK, I will try one more time to explain this to you. The word "now" in the verse we were discussing does not prove by itself the overall teaching of Premillinialism, but it does answer the question about what Christ meant in the context of that verse. Therefore it does answer the question you originally asked. I noticed that you don't deny that it is there or offer any explanation for it's meaning, but choose to ignore it entirely. It is there for a reason.

The new covenant required Christ's death and shedding of blood a priori. In hindsight, this is abundantly clear even in the law of Moses. There is simply no way for Christ to have ever come to earth for any reason except that death pursuant to the establishment of the new covenenant. Therefore the "now" in that verse can not refer to a change in direction on the part of God.

This is what I was referring to you not being interested in a true discussion, because you are not answering my questions and you are rebutting points that I don't hold to and agree with you about. Just more straw men to easily knock down. Can't you stay on the topic? If you have another question for me about Premillinialism or Dispensationalism then ask. But most of your assumptions about my beliefs are incorrect. I don't believe God ever changed his mind. Christ said he came only to Israel. In fact, over and over he said it. He had to present himself to them and be rejected by that generation of Jews, but God doesn't punish all generations of Jews for the actions of that generation. Of course Christ's death was foretold in the OT. That proves that he didn't change his mind. Your arguments don't prove your views and don't disprove mine.

283 posted on 06/10/2002 3:58:10 PM PDT by Iowegian
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To: Iowegian
He had to present himself to them and be rejected by that generation of Jews, but God doesn't punish all generations of Jews for the actions of that generation.

For that matter, even the Jews of that generation who repented were saved through Christ. The Mosaic covenant is gone, and with it earth-bound nationalism.

Daniel clearly tells us that the kingdom would be set up in the time of Rome. That kingdom is a spiritual kingdom that will never pass away. Of what use is a temporary, earthly kingdom when you have an eternal, spiritual kingdom?

Which is more real and lasting, physical things which you can feel and touch, or spiritual things?

286 posted on 06/11/2002 8:05:36 AM PDT by hopespringseternal
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