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. I recently talked to their one young man who described life in the East Coast seminary from which he was expelled for orthodoxy: lavish parties, plenty of liquor, never any silence, an openly gay vice-rector, a liturgy professor who assigns Protestant textbooks on the Eucharist and refers to the Blessed Sacrament as “bread” and transubstantiation as a “theory.” The only “good” news was that not all his fellow seminarians were gay: One had a girlfriend who regularly visited his bed with the tacit approval of his superiors.

It is time for these seminaries to be "outed" - I am sick and tired of the veiled references to "northeast" seminaries or "often referred to as the pink palace" seminaries... time to out them and reveal just which ones they are. We cannot fix the problem if we don't know where to start.

Thank you Mary for posting this column. It was quite good and I was heartened to see the word "homosexuality" used - I'm sick of the word pedophilia as it has almost nothing to do with this current situation. I just read an entire "Time" Magazine article (on the web) entitled "Can the Catholic Church be saved" - the article was silly and never once used the word homosexuality. Can't hurt anyone's feelings.

Even in so-called orthodox dioceses there can be found legions of heterodox administrators who have ruined seminaries and made a hash of CCD and Pre-Cano programs. This is where the courage of many bishops fails: They would rather get on with their administrators – some of whom may be openly contemptuous of the magisterium – than be a sign of contradiction. They simply let things happen.

GRRRRR... The changes were so gradual over the years that someone like me hardly noticed (I'm 42) and when I did experience vague discomfort, I thought it was ME that wasn't with the times - I wondered where my comforting, other-worldly, never changing Church went.

I am so mad this morning!

Wasn't Bishop Flynn the one who was sent to clean up the Gilbert Gauthe mess? I thought he was a "good guy"?

Did you see this? "Holy See Relaunches Reconciliation Bid with St. Pius X Fraternity"

I am sick and tired of the veiled references to "northeast" seminaries or "often referred to as the pink palace" seminaries...

Me, too. It's makes them sound more like Page Six or something rather than serious writers -- "Which well-known northeastern seminary . . .?"

The changes were so gradual over the years that someone like me hardly noticed

My own impression was changes were so fast and furious in the 70s your head would spin; I didn't have a clue about the homosexual subculture, but there are some things I remember now that make a bit more sense knowing it.

Can't help you on Flynn -- as I said, I'd never heard of him.

And I did see the article on St. Pius X Fraternity -- It was heartening to me. I felt sorry for LeFebvre at the time -- I though he was only driven to what he did by a more extreme form of what I was feeling. And all the far more destructive people who were allowed to run free at the same time!

I don't see Archbishop Flynn as one of the "good guys". I read recently that 9 of 11 Catholic Schools got high marks from the Gay Lesbian Bisexual transgendered whatever it is organization for their curriculum.

I also believe he is the Archbishop who let Richard Sparks, the author of the notorious "Growing in Love" curriculum personally introduce this curriculum to the Catholic educators in Minneapolis-yes, I've seen the actual materials, and they mention d*ldoes, bestiality, and other such things that are sooo important for Catholic school children to be versed in. If I sound like I'm ranting-I am. I will post links to my wild claims when I settle down a bit.