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To: sockmonkey
I don't see Archbishop Flynn as one of the "good guys". I read recently that 9 of 11 Catholic Schools got high marks from the Gay Lesbian Bisexual transgendered whatever it is organization for their curriculum.

That is just plain gross. WHY do MOST of the Archbishops/Bishops/Priests feel that the Catholic Church has to "go with the flow" and please and not offend the secular world. We are supposed to be the light of the world.

21 posted on 06/04/2002 7:08:54 AM PDT by american colleen
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To: american colleen; one particular Harbour
WHY do MOST of the Archbishops/Bishops/Priests feel that the Catholic Church has to "go with the flow" and please and not offend the secular world.

Because unfortunately there is a long history of powerful Catholics carrying water for political figures ... Archbishop Spellman's complicity in Roosevelt's eugenic policies being a stand-out for me.

In the wake of the Notre Dame stealth conferences on birth control in the 60's, several prominent Catholics (having been thoroughly conditioned by "foundation" monies and following the lead of utterly compromised Notre Dame president Hesburgh) took the lead in facilitating the State's sanctioning and enforcing of artificial contraceptoin as population control policy by testifying to Congress that they had no right to "impose their beliefs" on others and "speaking for Catholics" would shut up and sit down as the State proceeded about its objectives.

This was in stark contrast to the first half of the century where Catholics were at the forefront of forestalling the State's incursions into population control and the deconstruction of morals.

And, unfortunately, it's these Catholics-in-name-only who served as a model for today's "I'm personally opposed, BUT ..." Republicans and conservatives who by their caving on their personal convictions, allow the State to run roughshod over the populace and impose its "values".

The State is people. If you are a person whose "personal values" comport with the objectives and means of the State, you are ALWAYS well within your rights to impose your views of abortion, pornography, "de facto" unions, homosexual marriage, sexual education, environmentalism, anti-tobacco, etc. etc. on EVERYONE using the brawn of the State who's only too happy to play Big Brother in this regard.

Only if you stand for truths and those enduring moral laws which derive from God and are exemplified in large part by the moral codes of every human civilization since the beginning of human history, are you required to leave your personal convictions at home and play an impotent hypocrite in the Public Square.

25 posted on 06/04/2002 7:20:01 AM PDT by Askel5
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To: american colleen
I read recently that 9 of 11 Catholic Schools got high marks from the Gay Lesbian Bisexual transgendered whatever it is organization for their curriculum.

I was ranting. I meant 9 of 11 Catholic schools in Minneapolis. Here are the links I said I would post which mention Archbishop Flynn, and the homosexual friendly agenda in his Archdiocese. He apparently professes one thing publicly, and then turns around and does the exact opposite or, allows his employees to do it: catholicparents.org
defenders.org

27 posted on 06/04/2002 7:26:22 AM PDT by sockmonkey
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To: american colleen
WHY do MOST of the Archbishops/Bishops/Priests feel that the Catholic Church has to "go with the flow" and please and not offend the secular world.

In a paper written in the 40s ("On the Reading of Old Books," an introduction to a new translation of Athanasius, included in God in the Dock), C.S. Lewis writes:

[Athanasius] stood for the Trinitarian doctrine, 'whole and entire,' when it looked as if all the civilized world was slipping back from Christianity into the religion of Arius -- into one of those 'sensible' synthetic religions which are so strongly recommended today and which, then as now, included among their devotees many highly cultivated clergymen.
As noted, Lewis was writing in the 40s about Athanasius (4th century?). It's not a new problem. Granted as the world these people are trying to keep up with gets worse, the problem gets more appalling.
33 posted on 06/04/2002 7:40:11 AM PDT by maryz
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To: american colleen
One [seminarian] had a girlfriend who regularly visited his bed with the tacit approval of his superiors.

This is just unreal. This one's not about the PCness of tolerating homosexuals. They are tolerating plain ole fornication without even trying to put up a veneer of any kind. I can't get over it. How can this young man be considered a serious candidate for the priesthood at ALL? What is the rationale for letting this occur? I think these guys, the practicing gays and openly fornicating heteros see the whole vocation of the priesthood as nothing but a glorifed social worker.

98 posted on 06/04/2002 5:16:47 PM PDT by Theresa
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