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To: Catholicguy
It is amasing how this great Shepherd, Pope John Paul II keeps seeking out these lost sheep and the lost sheep respond by attacking the Shepherd and refuse to enter the sheepgate until the Vicar of Christ submit to them, the schismatics, and admit that Vatican Two taught error and is not binding , that the normative Mass is deficient and/or invalid, that the Catechism teaches error, that Canon Law must be reconsidered etc etc

I agree with you that JPII is a great shepherd, but while he has been trying to gather all the lost sheep (a wonderful and holy thing to do, IMO. I hope and pray for the reconcilliation of the Orthodox and flocks like the SSPX), JPII has been letting priests/teachers/bishops who are much less orthodox than the flocks JPII has been "echumening" with, teach and preach to the Catholics already in the fold. This has resulted in the mess that we are in now - starting before JPII but freefalling for the last 30+ years. I feel bad saying that, but I always remember that you should take care of your own house before you take care of someone else's. How can we be the light of the world with the state that the Church is in? IMO, the best way to echumenize others is to be a perfect example of Catholic Christianity.

20 posted on 06/04/2002 7:04:46 AM PDT by american colleen
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To: american colleen
This has resulted in the mess that we are in now - starting before JPII but freefalling for the last 30+ years.

Clericalism is alive and well.

31 posted on 06/04/2002 7:36:12 AM PDT by ThomasMore
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To: american colleen
IMO, the best way to echumenize others is to be a perfect example of Catholic Christianity.

You'd fit in with us pretty well yourself.
Proselytizing is always offensive. JP2 has done your church no favors. He has, instead, created suspicion on our part and for some a strong loathing. Create a church we can admire from a distance instead, and at least we will not run when we see you coming.
"Save yourself and a thousand around you will be saved."
St. Seraphim of Sarov. A major teaching in our church.

45 posted on 06/04/2002 8:47:25 AM PDT by MarMema
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