[Catholicguy]

Robby, include me out of the editorial "we." That collective guilt has been rejected by both Christians and Jews in relation to the role of SOME Jews in Deicide so it makes NO sense to use "we" when referring to anti Jewish actions of SOME Christian Catholics.

It IS noteworthy that Jews CONTINUE to charge collective guilt against all Christians, but I see no reason to join them in their error

[monkeyshine]

Who is blaming all Christians today? It's an absurd charge you are making. Some people blame some other people for some things. Not much anyone can do about all that.

But, since the Catholic Church is a "top down" organization, and since the Pope is considered "infallable", it is not inappropriate for Jews and others to appeal to his wisdom to update a doctrine created years before. If the Pope, in his wisdom, sees things in a new light then it must be right... right?

On the other hand, no Jew alive is responsible for writing the Talmud, and no Jew has the authority to revoke it, alter it, or update it. They are free, however, to ignore it and many Jews digress from the consensus opinions of the Talmud... and it doesn't make them any less Jewish. In fact, the debates around the Talmud are encouraged as a form of scholarship, and indeed the Talmud itself is a debate -- some of the opinions written in the Talmud are deliberately hoisted in order for them to be refuted. The Talmud is a dialectic.

It's an entirely different circumstance and standard to ask for an apology from the Jews, because there is nobody with the authority to apologize. But there is an authority for the Catholics.