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To: angelo; frumanchu; woodkirk; catholicguy, allend
It's taken me a while to digest what's been written and angelo's links to other sites;

Angelo, please;

To crystallize what I perceive as un-reconciled in your position is:

1) The Jewish Messiah must fulfill all messianic prophecy within one [human] lifetime (among other criteria, but this one will suffice for my question).

2) Daniel’s prophecy of 70 weeks (1 + 2 + 7 + 60) 9:24-27 remains wholly unfulfilled.

The website you cite while rebutting Christian interpretations of dates in Dan 9 states “Christians and Jews agree means seventy groups of seven years”. One (possibly you) might argue ‘dating’ to be important. I agree it is, but bear with me as an even larger more encompassing ‘date’ issue arises from your position (I believe).

So, Dan 9 is prophetic (it predicts the future, at least from Daniels timeframe) and is Messianic (it foretells a coming of the “mashiyach”), yet according to your view point is unfulfilled, remaining to be fulfilled by the true Jewish Messiah, one criteria of which is that it will be fulfilled in one lifetime.

So can you help me understand from your position how a messianic prophecy extending some 490 years will yet be fulfilled, along with Daniel 9:24-27 other predictions that Jerusalem be rebuilt, then destroyed, then a covenant and then desolation/appalment in the temple, all starting with Daniel’s timeframe (assuming you’re not going to posit that Daniel’s prophecy was ‘delayed’ in starting)?

I assume you might posit a ‘Methuselah’ type lifespan for the Jewish Messiah yet to come, but again, if he’s yet to come, are not Daniels 1st 69 (if not 70) other weeks also unfulfilled and does this not accuse Daniel of being a false prophet? ….thus necessitating that Daniel be stoned and removed from the Holy Scripture?

114 posted on 05/16/2002 1:00:42 PM PDT by Starwind
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To: Starwind
So, Dan 9 is prophetic (it predicts the future, at least from Daniels timeframe) and is Messianic (it foretells a coming of the “mashiyach”)

I disagree. Daniel 9 is not messianic. Its prophecy was fulfilled 100 years before the time of Jesus.

121 posted on 05/16/2002 2:37:53 PM PDT by malakhi
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