[ventana]

I am not suggesting any such thing, but merely pointing out faulty logic.

"Whosoever believeth in me shall not perish but have everlasting life" "The Elect" does not and cannot equal "Whosoever," ever.

Not getting in the boat is not a sin, but the boat is what keeps you from drowning.

[Jerry_M]

Re. 4

We believe that all mankind is not only not in the boat, but has already drowned. Man doesn't need a lifeboat to save him from eventually drowning, he needs a heart transplant to give him new life because has has already drowned in his sin.

Where do you find support that "The Elect" does not and cannot equal "Whosoever," ever. ??

[CCWoody]

Really, there are only 2 possibilities with the cross:

1. Christ actually paid for sins on the cross.
2. Christ did not pay for sins on the cross.

If Christ did not pay for sins on the cross, then by what means do you obtain remission of sins since there was no shedding of Blood on your behalf?

If Christ did pay for sins then why should not "getting in the boat" be any great hindrance?

BTW, your boat analogy is totally wrong as we are dead in sin, not drowning in sins.

[kjam22]

It kinda cheapens what Christ did on the cross when one claims that He didn't die for everyone. That his grace is not sufficient for everyone. That he only died for a select few. That his grace can only apply to a select few. That attonment is limited by God and the limited sacrafice of Christ.

[DittoJed2]

"Whosoever believeth in me shall not perish but have everlasting life" "The Elect" does not and cannot equal "Whosoever," ever.
Whosoever will may come, but nobody had the will to do so. So, God in grace elected some. Those are the ones who will believe thanks to the gift of faith and regeneration which God Himself does in the life of a believer. Those who do not believe are still condemned because they never wanted God to begin with.