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To: drstevej
Are you suggesting Mary was sinful?
Yes, as was Stephen, Moses, Paul, Rahab, Peter, Adam, Mother Theresa, Martin Luther, my mom, me, you, Rnmom, polycarp and even rdb3. Everyone except Jesus!

Rom 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

Mary proclaimed her own sinful state steve

Luk 1:47   And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.

  

  She KNEW she needed a savior...

130 posted on 07/03/2002 5:57:19 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
You make much too much stew from one rabbit. God is the savior of us all, but that doesn't mean He didn't save Mary from Original Sin. You're reading too much into it. Mary simply calls God "my Savior", even as Evangelicals often call Jesus "my Savior", meaning that He saved them at some point in the past. They are not expressing a "present need" for a Savior; in fact, many don't think they have a present need for salvation because of "once saved, always saved". Similarly, Mary was just calling God her "Savior", not expressing a present need.

131 posted on 07/03/2002 6:09:31 PM PDT by narses
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To: RnMomof7
As for Rom 3:10, we cannot take that one verse in isolation; we must look at the whole of Scripture on this subject. The Bible elsewhere states that we are made righteous by Christ's obedience (Romans 5:19). Though we have no innate righteousness due to the Fall, we are "made the righteousness of God in him" (II Co 5:21).

As a daughter of Adam, Mary also has no innate righteousness, and under normal circumstances she would have been conceived in original sin like the rest of us. But God prevented this by imparting His righteousness to her at the moment of her conception, even as He imparts it to us in Baptism. Mary simply received at the beginning of her existence the same gift of salvation which others generally receive later in life.

So Romans 3:10 applies to Mary insofar as she is not sinless because of some innate righteousness, as though she were by very nature exempt from the effects of the Fall. Yet she is not unrighteous, for by grace she became at her conception the very righteousness of God in Christ.


132 posted on 07/03/2002 6:11:41 PM PDT by narses
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