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To: DouglasKC;Jerry_M;drstevej
Before he created them? Since God is outside of time, then yes. He absolutely knew, but there was nothing he could do to stop it since he had granted them free will.

You have a very weak and powerless God there Doug. Because He knew BEFORE creation,God could have simply made Adam and Eve differently. He could have made Eve less gullible:>) He could have made Adam in such a way that he would have honored the responsibility He gave to him..God could have given Adam more grace for the moment of temptation or He could have made Adam in such a way as to make Adam seek to be more obedient.

God also could have changed the circumstances...He could have kept the snake out of the garden, He could have put the tree outside the garden

No Doug God was not helpless..man's free will did not trump God's power.God allowed the fall to occur it happened with His permission. God was not powerless, or blind or helpless...God foreknew and allowed the fall..

239 posted on 05/07/2002 2:36:08 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
Before he created them? Since God is outside of time, then yes. He absolutely knew, but there was nothing he could do to stop it since he had granted them free will.
No Doug God was not helpless..man's free will did not trump God's power.God allowed the fall to occur it happened with His permission. God was not powerless, or blind or helpless...God foreknew and allowed the fall..

Whoa! Back up the horse there Nelly. You constructed an entire distorted image of belief. God foreknew and allowed the fall BECAUSE he had created man with free will and wouldn't violate his principle.

253 posted on 05/07/2002 8:18:41 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: RnMomof7
He could have NOT planted the tree in the first place:>)
265 posted on 05/08/2002 1:23:31 AM PDT by irishtenor
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