Posted on 05/04/2002 4:43:38 PM PDT by RnMomof7
You could say the same thing about glorification, can't you?
Cut the crap Woody. If you can't discuss without calling names then from here on out I'll just ignore you.
We've shared the gospel. In fact several times in the last few days and you and RnMomof7 say "No, that's not it."
Well either tell us or admit you don't know.
When someone compliments you to a third party, that is a form of glorification--but when someone loves you, you need no one else to know. Love is complete in and of itself (and includes glorification!). I don't "trump" one with the other--I'm expanding it.
There is no trumping the word of God..show me where it says God made man so He could be freely loved Shadow...Glory and love are NOT the same thing..show me where it says God made you to choose Him...that He did not want robots!
You do? If so, what are they? I will tell you what, I promise, on my honor, that if you send me a Freepmail with the "5 words" that I will give you a yes or a no, and will not divulge what you send me in public, nor will I let anyone else know whether you were correct or not. Fair?
Why must the sharing of the gospel be such a game with you people? Your side rants and raves and jokes about how the Arminians preach an "attractive" gospel, then you want to play games like this. I'm not going to freepmail you something like one of Calvin's "secret councils."
We told you what the gospel was. You said "no that's not it."
Now, either share the five words, or admit it was all a game. All you are trying to do is "catch us" in saying something so you can say "SEE, we're right, you're wrong." Well, we're tired of the games, tired of the foolishness, tired of the insistence by the Calvinists that you're the only one who knows anything...cause that ain't true.
Now either you know how to share the gospel in five words, or you don't.
Not posting it for all to see proves you don't.
Rule 2. The bible interpets itself:
Act 17:30 Truly, then, God overlooking the times of ignorance, now He strictly commands all men everywhere to repent,
All men. Everywhere. Not all the elect ("eklektos"). Not all the saints ("hagios"). All men.
2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slow concerning His promise, as some count slowness, but is long-suffering toward us, not purposing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
The Lord God wants ALL to come to repentence.
The "5 words" that Woody has been looking for is the name of the Gospel. Corin said that he knew what they are, I wanted to give him an opportunity, without fear of embarrasment, to obtain confirmation that he knows these "5 words".
We have not hid the Gospel from anyone. We have proclaimed it, here and elsewhere, daily for almost 30 years now.
I don't think that we are going to have any agreement here (and I extend this to the other non-Calvinists) until such time that the Spirit of God either convinces you of your error, or me of mine.
Then why doesn't He? Is His arm too short to save?
Jer 32:17 Ah Lord GOD! behold, thou hast made the heaven and the earth by thy great power and stretched out arm, [and] there is nothing too hard for thee:
All men. Exactly like the bible says.
Think Doug God gave you a mind for a reason..think! :>))
I think I'll believe God. :-)
John 6:65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
Yep. Exactly true. Everyone is called in God's good time.
1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all will be made alive.
1Co 15:23 But each in his own order: Christ the first-fruit, and afterward they who are Christ's at His coming;
I understood that you did not hold Christian doctrine Doug..but I did not know that you were a Univeralist..I think you would stand alone on that creed here that taught that all men will be saved:>)
Isaish 62:5 says that God rejoices over us as a bridegroom rejoices over his wife. Does a bridegroom force the bride to marry him? Even the bride has a choice. If not, would the groom "rejoice" over his wife? Some cultures do have no choice for the bride--does the groom rejoice, or merely accept her as his?
Acts 17:29 says we are the offspring of God. Do you love your children, or do you want them to be mere robots serving your needs?
1 Corinthians 8:3 says that if any man loves God, then God knows him.
We are not to be robots.
We can only respond in one of two ways "yes that's it," or "no, that's not it."
If you've shared those words for 30 years (and I'm sure you indeed have) then one more post isn't going to hurt.
Do you see how silly this is? We've told you what the gospel is. P-Marlowe posted an extensive offering of the gospel at least twice.
You tell us you have no problem sharing it, but when we say "This is the gospel" we're met with "No, that's not it, now guess what it really is."
I said this to Woody on Saturday:
This is the gospel Woody:For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. -John 3:16
It doesn't matter if I use 5 words, 5 thousand words or 5 million words...I can't say it any better than that.
I've believed and shared that as the gospel for years. Here on FreeRepublic, I'm told I'm wrong. I'm using too many words. Maybe, but it's the gospel. It's the good news.
Now, please tell me what you think it is.
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