Posted on 05/04/2002 4:43:38 PM PDT by RnMomof7
off offending others I am afraid.....I did not mean to..but I did:>(
codie no matter where you do your spiritual walk remember the gospel MUST be offensive..if it is not you are not preaching it right..so I am really sorry I have not been offensive (even just a little:>)
I assume your talking about your 5/3 post.I give up.Spell it out for me.
Nope,you've ticked me off more than once.Well done! Sleep peacefully tonight, secure in that knowledge.
I hope to return the favor real soon.
God Bless you codie!
See my post #30. Read it again.
No Catholic would disagree with the above statements.What is your objection?
Correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t Calvinistic thought teach that those who are the elect and those who are not are predestined to be that way and nothing changes that? Why would there have to be any kind of judgment and why would it need to be explained?
Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
This verse occurs at Christ’s second coming just before the first resurrection. Nobody has yet received any reward. It’s also interesting that John differentiates between saints, prophets and servants. He also differentiates between these and others who fear his name, great and small. Calvinistic belief would say that each one of these are descriptions of the same people I take it. But that doesn’t seem evident from the verse.
The Book of life is opened for the reward of the Saints..a judgement of works unto reward..not damnation
The saints, the elect, have already received their reward long before the book of life is opened. They have already received immortal bodies at the 2nd coming of Christ. They were already made kings and priests in the millennial kingdom.
Doug I do not have much of an interest in the end times as a study..but there is no scripture to indicate that there will be salvation based on works for anyone.Only the elect written in the Lambs book will be at that celebration!
That’s a pity because it’s an interesting subject. I also don’t believe that a salvation based on works is evidenced in the bible. I believe that at the great white throne judgment after the millennium that all are taught the truth from the books of the bible and are judged on whether or not they now accept the truth.
2Jo 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into [your] house, neither bid him God speed:
2Jo 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
And what is the doctrine of Christ?
2Jo 1:5 And now I beseech you, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment to you, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another.
2Jo 1:6 And this is love, that we walk according to His commandments. This is the commandment, as you heard from the beginning, that you should walk in it.
"why are there so many Protestant denominations? Is the "Holy Spirit" confused, or what?"
To which you answered, incredibly:
Well, it is because of Rome:
...followed by some Jesuit conspiracy stuff, and something about "tares." All of which completely avoided the essential question. It is this kind of obfuscation that makes all of Christianity odious to rational men.
So let's make the question explicit. If Christians have the Holy Spirit's enlightenment, how can they disagree on doctrine? Either only one brand of Christians are truly enlighened by the Holy Spirit (in which case all others are not really "Christians" I suppose) or none of them are.
A straight honest answer to this question would demonstrate both your integrity and your understanding. For the sake of your testimony, I can assure you, such a demonstration is needed.
Hank
yep they are all the elect..just as each of my children are called by different names and have different jobs and rolls..
Doug every man does just as he wills...and he will have to stand before God for his actions...Every man will understand that no one was sent to hell that did not choose to be there
Rom 2:6Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
And there will be additional rewards for the saints..scripture speaks of crowns that we will throw at His feet..
Rev 4:10 The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying,
11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
Now we do not know or understand exactly what those "rewards " will be.
Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward [is] with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
doug..remember that the letters were addressed to the elect (the church)..they are doctrinal in nature 2Jo 1:8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.
Pretty much yes. As I understand it, this was the view held by most Christians prior to the Roman church declaring it heresy in the 4th century.
"14. Did you read any of the "Left Behind" books or watch the movie? if yes -1"
Saw the movie (rental), don't own any of the books.
"17. Do you have any Max Lucado books in your personal library? if yes -1"
Yes -a couple, but I don't even remember their names. Something about 'grace' if my memory serves me. But then again, I also have 'the Book of Mormon' and Mary Baker Eddy's book.
"22. Do you attend any church that's name begins with "United"? if yes -2"
Actually it's the denomination -United Reformed Church.
So, can I take the questions, but give up the points?
Jean
So Calvinism doesn't teach that people are predestined by God to heaven and hell?
10. Is your pastor a graduate of either Dallas Theological Seminary? (He is me)if yes -1
13. Do you agree with any of the 4 Spiritual Laws? (Law 3 is fine.) if yes -1
16. Do you believe in a Pre Tribulation rapture? (Dispensational no less) if yes -2
28. Does your church use a big screen in order to display images during a church service? (Three of them.) if yes -1
38. Do you believe that Christ died for every single person that has lived or will live in the future? (I am No-L) if yes -2
46. Do you believe the word "World" in John 3:16 refers to every living being from past to future? (Could be.) if so then -1
55. Do you plan to, or have you in the past, attended a Bill Gothard seminar? (Yes but I left after 2 hours, so I’ll take -1/2...)If so then -1
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Woody, can you help me brother!
Do you really think you have absolute free choice now?
Did you select your parents, the place of your birth? Your race or sex? Your intellect? Your parents financial situation? Our live choices are limited by the circumstances of our birth..If you had been born in the bush in africa you would not be posting on FR right now most likely..
God made those choices for you. And even now your choices are not without restrictions . You chose within a certain set of choices.
Your lifes choices have been restricted by God's decisions before you were born..Do you think a God that carefully crafted your life would have no care for your eternity? He knows how many hairs you will loose today..He knows because He has fashioned you.....to His good pleasure When you hop in your car, why are you given the choice to go anywhere, or to just sit there? Sure God knows what you would do, but why should you have a choice? God is giving us choices for what purpose?
We all have free choice but it is not without bounds..If you jump from a 100 story building you can not change your mind at the 50th floor..the law of gravity takes precedent..you go smush....
You can get in your car and choose where to go..but your choice is limited by the time you have, the gas in the tank or the limit on your credit card.....God does know the man he made ....He crafted you quite carefully.....he knows your personality and your strengths and your weakness......in effect you were created to make certain choices..
Have you ever seen the Identical twin study where they examine two men separated at birth..both love firefighting..One has it as a job..the other is a manner of a volunteer unit..they both drive the same car..had the same IQ's and have the same educational level....both of their wives are named Jean...both wives are blondes and both men have the same number of children.
Now the world will call that genetics..an accident of birth...I say God knew them before they were born and he created them in such a way that they would have make choices..They do choose what they want..but God has governed what they want before they were ever born
The problem is that because of the fall men do not really want God..they will not choose God..
Men love darkness more than the light
The grace of God makes man born again..it makes him the perfect creation that God had planned him to be before the fall.....once the man is born again his desires change and he now not only can choose God ,but he desires to choose God..
Does this make sense so far?
BUT,...
16. Do you believe in a Pre Tribulation rapture? (Dispensational no less) if yes -2
NO SOUP FOR YOU! ~ Soup Nazi from Seinfeld.
Hey, we're Dutch, I was trying to save you a couple bucks on the rental. I should really give you my points. You did watch it of your own free-will, didn't you? I didn't 'force' you to watch it. Hey -you even got a free critique from me!
Jean
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