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Thus they were not seen as sinners, but as creatures, as such were chosen or rejected without a ground for their rejection or without an ocassion for the exercise of grace....

BTW, I thought I'd let you know that your belief has God condemning an entire group of people solely so he can then grace them when the group he condemns will never ever commit a single sin in their lives. Don't believe me. I have your own words as my witness. I bet that Jean remembers.

The point is that you should be more concerned with your own beliefs than enter into any lapsarian (sp) debate with Jerry.

Thus they were not seen as sinners, but as creatures, as such were chosen or rejected without a ground for their rejection or without an ocassion for the exercise of grace.... BTW, I thought I'd let you know that your belief has God condemning an entire group of people solely so he can then grace them when the group he condemns will never ever commit a single sin in their lives. Don't believe me. I have your own words as my witness. I bet that Jean remembers. The point is that you should be more concerned with your own beliefs than enter into any lapsarian (sp) debate with Jerry.

Now, that you got done annoying Revelation 911 you are going to come and bait me?

Your ignorance of the issues is only less astounding then your arrogrant assumption you have something to talk about.

I am very well aware of my words, what your limited reading ability was unable to grasp that Grace made all those who God had condemned savable.

Thus, unlike a Calvinist,who would have God condemning all men, but only saving a few, Romans 5:18 shows that God's grace covers all men (hence the need to condemn all men, so all can fall under the second adam's blood). The only reason anyone goes to hell is that they reject this grace (Jn.16:9)

Now, unless you have something really constructive to add, please move on and bother someone else.

How about Xzins?