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To: CCWoody; Corin Stormhands; fortheDeclaration; Winston Churchill; ShadowAce
FR Arminian denies to preach the gospel as a Free Offer

By this man's definition, the calvinists you frequently ping are hyper-calvinists. One mark mentioned above is the belief that regeneration precedes faith and repentance (or words to that effect.)

I don't think that the so-called witnessing that takes place on these threads when an occasional lurker wanders onto a thread can be proof that one is not a hyper-Calvinist, given that not witnessing is not the definition of hyper-Calvinism. (As you say, some witness just because of a command to do so.) Besides, to me, most of the so-called witnessing appears to be constant, unloving browbeating, verbal/emotional abuse, and ridicule.

The gospel is the news that God intends for everyone to avail themselves through faith of their blood-bought salvation in Jesus Christ. The awakening and convicting works are the responsibility of the Holy Spirit.

That, of course, is a Wesley-Arminian perspective.

The hyper-Calvinist view is that being "born again" takes place before one becomes a believer.

25 posted on 05/03/2002 10:19:37 AM PDT by xzins
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To: xzins; Jerry_M
The hyper-Calvinist view is that being "born again" takes place before one becomes a believer.

Let's take a look at the "believe" portion of the gospel. How does one do that in a saving kind of way exactly?

26 posted on 05/03/2002 10:30:15 AM PDT by CCWoody
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To: xzins, winstonchurchill, P-Marlowe, corin stormhands, Rnmomof7, Revelation 911
FR Arminian denies to preach the gospel as a Free Offer By this man's definition, the calvinists you frequently ping are hyper-calvinists. One mark mentioned above is the belief that regeneration precedes faith and repentance (or words to that effect.) I don't think that the so-called witnessing that takes place on these threads when an occasional lurker wanders onto a thread can be proof that one is not a hyper-Calvinist, given that not witnessing is not the definition of hyper-Calvinism. (As you say, some witness just because of a command to do so.) Besides, to me, most of the so-called witnessing appears to be constant, unloving browbeating, verbal/emotional abuse, and ridicule.

I think it is a danger in classifying Calvinists as either Hyper or nonHyper. The only difference between the two theologically is how they order the decrees. The Hyper ('super' Lapsarian) makes Election and Reprobation first and then has God creating, the infalapsarian has God creating first, and then decreeing the Fall etc.

Practically, the Hyper is accused of not witnessing, using the Decree as an excuse.

That is however, not the essential issue in what makes a Calvinist a Calvinist, conditional vs unconditonal 'election' is.

The gospel is the news that God intends for everyone to avail themselves through faith of their blood-bought salvation in Jesus Christ. The awakening and convicting works are the responsibility of the Holy Spirit.

Amen!

That, of course, is a Wesley-Arminian perspective.

And the Scriptural teaching on the subject. The hyper-Calvinist view is that being "born again" takes place before one becomes a believer.

66 posted on 05/03/2002 12:29:41 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration
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