A Brief Critique of Hyper-Calvinism

A Puritan's Mind ^ | C. Matthew McMahon

[Wrigley]

I know, I know, I read that after I posted. Wrigley gets a five minute self imposed timeout.

[RnMomof7]

Did you reread that post and understand it was not aimed at PM ??

Rest you are my friend ..you know I care about you (and I think you care about me)..but I will never lie to you about what I believe to "buy" your approval or friendship.

Still got the mustard box waiting..and my home is still open to you (as a religion free zone)this summer if you come up..I do not do that for every one you know:>)

[restornu]

the_doc

Don't want your good works to see the light of day?

[Corin Stormhands]

Excuse me ...you guys are the ones that posted all the flags to JR and the monitor..do you think they are blind?..

Other threads yes. Not on this thread. Do a search. I just did. If I missed something before your post, I apologize.

Post #169

So, either you are no longer a Calvinist (which is not true) or Calvinists DO report what they believe to be abuse(which is true).

I didn't see the posts that were pulled. I do believe there are times when hitting Abuse is appropriate. So I don't question your actions. And, for the record, I consider flagging the Moderator and JR the same as hitting Abuse.

But, regardless of who hit abuse or flagged the Moderator first, P-Marlowe is correct that the Calvinists may no longer make the statement "Calvinists NEVER hit the Abuse button."

[P-Marlowe]

The "abuse" was what doc said. Not the fact that Dr. Brian posted it. Why wasn't doc prepared to say what he said in secret to all.

Eph 5:12-13: for the things that are done by them in secret it is shameful even to say. But all things having their true character exposed by the light are made manifest; for that which makes everything manifest is light.

If you can't say it publicly, then don't say it privately.

Luk 12:2-3 but there is nothing covered up which shall not be revealed, nor secret that shall not be known; therefore whatever ye have said in the darkness shall be heard in the light, and what ye have spoken in the ear in chambers shall be proclaimed upon the housetops. (words of Christ in red)

Obviously doc was reluctant to have such a post made public. But why? If it is true, then what is he afraid of? I challenge doc (if he reads this) to post it himself. Hey, Let your light shine!

[restornu]

Its not you R7, it the spirit that surrounds these guys, it has no resemblance to the Lord, Jesus Christ.

[winstonchurchill]

Perhaps you just simply don't think that God is holy enough to have already condemned the entire race a long time ago and out of the pleasure of His will and mercy has elected to save some for His glory and leave the rest to be burned for His glory.

You're right, I don't. In fact, I think that a concise and accurate statement of the Calvinist construct and the cruelist, most brutal, foolish, unbiblical and downright stupid thing I can imagine.

My God -- the God of the Bible -- derives no pleasure from the suffering of any. There is no "pleasure of will" in seeing to it that multitudes of His creations are "burned for his glory." We know this because Jesus perfectly reflected the nature of God to us and He offered special protection to those too young to rebel against their God.

But one must go further and ask what trauma brings forth a mind which would posit such a god. If you really believe that the God of the Bible "burns [people] for his glory" you truly have, as the phrase goes, "issues" with which you should deal.

Moreover, unless you are truly a sociopath, I doubt you really believe such nonsense yourself. Imagine yourself on some 'holy' mission to a pediactrics ward to round up new brands to "burn for his glory." I doubt even you could do it.

This is a perfect example of a premise of the construct that only makes 'sense' in the abstract -- the very, very abstract. Get a grip, man. Then get out your Bible and read of the Suffering Servant who died to make Himself "... the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for our sins but also for the whole world." Thank God Almighty.

[the_doc]

Well.....

Think, ma'am, think!

[ROTFLOL]

[RnMomof7]

Is flagging JR or the monitor to a conversation the same as hitting the abuse button? If it is your game of flag and run is over...But IMHO..as one of you mentioned yesterday flagging the monitor for the purpose of determing if something you have written passes the smell test is honorable (or so you all say) So I am I alone will regularily flag the monitors to my responses and let them determine if my complaint is revelant.

Sorry is my flags spoiled your plan

[winstonchurchill]

Perhaps if everyone on FR who has been personally insulted by doc just ignored him, then eventually he'd have nobody to listen to his vain rantings. Unfortunately doc seems to think he represents God in all things religious. Well he doesn't represent me. It is said that as a Christian you must be careful in how you speak and how you live because to some people YOU are the only Bible they will ever read. Some people drive more people away from the Lord than they draw to him. It's a pity that those people too often think they are the guardians of Christian truth.

Well stated.

I notice that a few posts later, "doc" was slithering around about how he "...just wanted to be quite a bit more earnest than a public forum could handle." Right, just a bit more slimy than a public forum should have to endure. He truly is a legend in his own mind.

I agree with you. If all here could just ignore the non compus mentis among us here at FR, then all we would have to worry about is the damage they do to the Savior's Name.

[RnMomof7]

But, regardless of who hit abuse or flagged the Moderator first, P-Marlowe is correct that the Calvinists may no longer make the statement "Calvinists NEVER hit the Abuse button."

IMHO hitting abuse and flagging are very different animals..but if you want to say that I have assumed the position of the offical flagger so be it..this is on me...and if it was my flags and not your's that pointed out bad conduct so be it I am happy and proud to wear that mantel...BUT I refuse to share it with the other Calvinists ..as you note I was the only one of the Calvinists to flag the monitors . My suspension taught me a lesson that I will gladly share with all of my Arminian friends

[RnMomof7]

My guess is it has more than shone...it has attracted light as in

I have been a lightning rod for controversy-

[RnMomof7]

May we return to the question that ya all are trying to avoid please? If the heathan is assured of heaven because of his ignorant state why would Jesus ( who according to your theology plans that none should perish) command that the gospel that might damn them be preached to them ??

Dr. E continues to hold her breath and time is short I fear

[Matchett-PI]

"Some people drive more people away from the Lord than they draw to him."

That's right, and Jesus was one of them. Whenever Jesus preached the doctrine of absolute predestination he deliberately did it in order to do just that.

"And he said, 'Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.'

From that time many of his disciples (tares) went back, and walked no more with him. (John 6:60-66)"

Notice that Jesus didn't try to talk them into coming back. He let them go. That sort of preaching gets rid of a lot of the *religious* tares who hang around in orthodox Christian churches today, too. They're more comfortable in the feminized "church" organizations.

"It is said that as a Christian you must be careful in how you speak and how you live because to some people YOU are the only Bible they will ever read."

Someone reportedly overheard a Pharisee saying those words to Jesus. Is that where you got that quote? :D

[restornu]

the_doc

Don't want your good works to see the light of day?

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Well.....

Think, ma'am, think!

[ROTFLOL]

THANK YOU DOC FOR SHOWING US THE REST OF YOUR NATURE!

SHAMELESS

[Jean Chauvin]

"If you can't say it publicly, then don't say it privately."

Matthew 18
15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.

Jean

[RnMomof7]

Some people fail to understand it is the gospel that seperates the wheat from the shaft....the "feel good lets all get along gospel" saves no one..

Isa 49:2 And he hath made my mouth like a sharp sword; in the shadow of his hand hath he hid me, and made me a polished shaft; in his quiver hath he hid me;

The word is intended to harm and to insult and offend..if that is NOT the gospel you preach you preach a false gospel!

Isa 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper [in the thing] whereto I sent it.

2Cr 10:4 (For the weapons of our warfare [are] not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;)

Hebrews 4:12For the word of God [is] quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

[RnMomof7]

Do not confuse folks with the gospel Jean

[CCWoody]

The one difference between Calvinists and non-Calvinists is this: Calvinists know that God saves as a result of the preaching of the Gospel. Non-Calvinists hope that people will make the decision to accept salvation as a result of the preaching of the Gospel. (As has been pointed out, this leads to differing methods of preaching the Gospel.)

Yes, we believe the the gospel is the Power of God and our non-Calvinist friends believe that they must be really convincing and say just the right thing or entice them into saying a sinners prayer or something.

[the_doc]

SHAMELESS

You accidentally hit the nail on the head.

I am not ashamed of the gospel. And it's serious stuff, ma'am. You're going to find that out one Day.