[Lady In Blue]

FYI and Discussion.

[BlessedBeGod]

I hope this isn't too far off-topic.

I think Latin is beautiful, and I'm trying to learn it.

I'm starting by concentrating on learning hymns in Latin, beginning with those that have the same melody as their counterparts in English. I've been through a number of hymnals, the Liber Usualis (Solemses Gregorian Chant), and the internet trying to find as many as I can.

If the Novus Ordo is left in place, I would, at minimum, want to see a smattering of Latin hymns and Gregorian chant back at Mass.

(I'd much rather see, at minimum, some kind of cross between the Novus Ordo and Tridentine, with the priest facing away from the congregation.)

[american colleen]

*Bumpus maximus* ;-)

[nickcarraway]

Furthermore, by these presents [this law], in virtue of Our Apostolic authority, We grant and concede in perpetuity that, for the chanting or reading of the Mass in any church whatsoever, this Missal is hereafter to be followed absolutely, without any scruple of conscience or fear of incurring any penalty, judgment, or censure, and may freely and lawfully be used. Nor are superiors, administrators, canons, chaplains, and other secular priests, or religious, of whatever title designated, obliged to celebrate the Mass otherwise than as enjoined by Us. We likewise declare and ordain that no one whosoever is forced or coerced to alter this Missal, and that this present document cannot be revoked or modified, but remain always valid and retain its full force notwithstanding the previous constitutions and decrees of the Holy See, as well as any general or special constitutions or edicts of provincial or synodal councils, and notwithstanding the practice and custom of the aforesaid churches, established by long and immemorial prescription - except, however, if more than two hundred years' standing.

[Lady In Blue]

The Mass of Vatican 11

[history_matters]

Good post, dear Lady in Blue. I remember those days when I could go to Mass anywhere in the world and be completely at home in Latin.

I understand how well the vernacular can serve for evangelization purposes, but I would much prefer singing Agnus Dei to a simple Gregorian chant than singing a "Lamb o' God" that sounds like Jimmy Buffet's "Tin Cup Chalice".

[saradippity]

When I was about 10,we were coming home from Mass and I complained that I couldn't understand why it was in Latin.My father stopped the car turned to face me and said:

"One God,one prayer,one tongue,24 hours a day all around the world",turned back and continued driving.

At that age I wasn't quite sure what he meant but I knew it was important.Now I know,it was profound and we lost a lot.

Blessed Be God,I wish the priest would turn around too. I get the most uncomfortable feeling sometimes that the priest is concentrating on how he looks and totally forgets that it doesn't matter. I believe the verticality is retained when he faces as we do and lifts up our prayers to the Lord.This horizontal,just us folks celebrating each other is so kitchy and superficial and contrived. Its funny,as they tell us,we have matured,we are adults they keep lowering the bar so that it might be enjoyable for a child or teenager and I ask myself where is the Mass for the mature adults we have become?

Excuse the rant,but for some reason this thread touched a sore spot in me. Incidentally,I do go to the New Order eucharist because our bishop,listening to his brainwashed,brain dead nun staff told us he had no authority to permit the Tridentine Mass,this was after Ecclesia Dei.Several years later when we had all the documents,we asked again and had petitions and priests who were willing and he had some other reason why it could not be permitted. There are several priests who do offer the Mass reverently and according to the rubrics and I appreciate that but it is rare.

And,I don't care what it means this going to or partaking in,or whatever we are doing at eucharist,it is a word that despite its etiology is for the birds. All I can think of is years of working for government and finding half the staff in somebody's office playing "euchre"(rhymes with lucre). Well,Lady in Blue,you put this up for discussion. I hope your not sorry.(smile)

I am so grateful for Adoration,the rosary,the Catechism,the Bible and the Pope,I only go to Mass on Sunday to receive the Body and Blood and to fulfill my obligation.

[Dajjal]

A Feast of Saint Athanasius "Bumpus ad summum."