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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
If even pagan Romans argued that Christians should have understood it as metaphorical--on the grounds (which you mentioned) that it would otherwise be cannibalism--then we have confirmation of Jesus's statement to the effect that "the children of this world are sometimes wiser than the children of light." (Ah, pagans do understand what cannibalism is even if they don't understand much else. We ought to listen to them about this!)

And remember: Jesus specifically warned us about His use of metaphor. It is not more spiritual to take Him literally when anyone can see that He was being metaphorical.

Understanding it as metaphor does not diminish its spirituality. In fact, it sharpens the ceremony's spirituality--by forcing us to think about what it does mean. What it means is that unless you are in a supernatural union with Christ through regeneration, by which regeneration you will once and for all appreciate His true humanity (flesh like yours) and his Godhood (the Life of His Blood), you are lost.

And of course, a lot of people who desperately try to affirm the RC dogma are not regenerate. They are trying to affirm what they do not really believe concerning the hypostatic union of God and man in Christ any more than they believe that the elements are magically transformed into literal flesh and literal blood.

My point is that affirming something does not make it true and does not even mean that one really believes it. In fact, desperately affirming something which a person does not, indeed, cannot believe just makes that person a hypocrite.

As a doctor, I assure you that the bread is just bread and the wine is just wine. The issues of interest are in the soul of the partaker, not in the hocus-pocus of RC dogma. And I have enough respect for podiatrists to know that at some level below your stubbornness, you already realize that I am correct.

18 posted on 04/28/2002 7:09:08 AM PDT by the_doc
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To: the_doc
not in the hocus-pocus of RC dogma.

What is amusing here is that the term hocus-pocus is a derogatory slur against the words of consecration of the mass, made up by the "reformers" who created the lines of thinking you mindlessly repeat here.

And I have enough respect for podiatrists to know

Thank you for your patronizing words. May God Bless you abundantly.

that at some level below your stubbornness, you already realize that I am correct

My belief in the Real Presence is as strong as my belief in Christ Himself. That to you may be scandalous. But I believe that you are not only incorrect but that your error is the cause of the damnation of some who at one time embraced the Truth then fled, following false gospels like those of the reformation. You of course are probably blameless in holding your error, but that makes your position no less wrong.

19 posted on 04/28/2002 8:11:33 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: the_doc; Dr.Brian Kopp
Read this article in it's entirety, then you can talk to us Catholics about the REAL EUCHARIST. Plenty of Scriptural backup for you. Many walked away back in John 6. Many still do.

EUCHARIST: HOLY MEAL

143 posted on 04/29/2002 3:52:58 PM PDT by oremus
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