[editor-surveyor]

"Could the first Adam have fulfilled Christ's role?

I think there was a pre-existent reality that was a possibility where he could have."

I find this to be nonsequiter jibberish!

"How to fully explain this, I have to leave to greater minds than mine."

You said id, so it is up to you, who created it, to explain your imaginary mechanism.

[la$tminutepardon]

I have an idea! Let's never postulate new thoughts on these threads! Let's just continue to fight over the same old same old, and then blame each other for it! Okay! Then when someone says, "I don't know the answer" castigate them for bringing up something to think about! Then castigate them again when they do have an answer and tell them they think they are so above everybody else because they think they know it all! Okay, I got it now!

Actually I have the answer, but you have to pass Theology 101 to get it.

[the_doc]

I can fix the problem, here, I think.

Adam could not have fulfilled Christ's role, because Adam was not the incarnate God Himself. Only the Second Person of the Trinity can be God Incarnated--by the definition of the Trinity.

With regard to pre-existence, there is a kind of pre-existence of the elect. But this "pre-existence" (note the quotation marks!) is a spiritual idea (of being chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world) tied to:

1) the humanly illusory nature of time versus eternity; and

2) the more specific fact that our God, Who dwells in eternity, is a God of purpose.

I think our understanding needs to come right up the edge of these things. However, I maintain that when we get to the edge of these things, we must stop.

I hope this helps. Anyway, it's the way I have always looked at the matter.

[la$tminutepardon]

I find this to be nonsequiter jibberish!

I see both of you want to conveniently ignore it.