BEWARE THE RED HEIFER: How religious nutballs could start World War III

Antiwar.com ^ | April 15, 2002 | Justin Raimondo

[detsaoT]

Our founding fathers were so right about religion and government.

The Myth of The Separation of Church and State

(Believe it or not, America is not a nation governed by a forcibly Secular government. Our Constitution does not demand secularism be the law of the land, unlike the Constitutions of both the former USSR and the current People's Republic of China....)

:) ttt

[weikel]

Im not saying its a religion I'm just saying that most evolutionist do not believe in a bunch of crap about the innate good of mankind.

[dighton]

1) What are you babbling about?

2) What is a theif?

[Cold Heat]

Agreed! I was refering to the lack of a state religion, as was the case with the church of England and most Islamic countries. It sets up a dual government and major confusion of public policy.

[detsaoT]

#1: I've made no statements advocating war against Iraq. If you read ANYTHING to that effect in my writings on this thread, then quit smoking whatever you were.

#2: All that aside, it's time for me to inject something into your arguments: Saddam Hussein has MASSACRED thousands of his people, according to defectors from his government weapons programs (I don't recall the name, but a couple of them frequently write pieces for the Washington Times). It is for this reason and ONLY for this reason that I think Saddam should be toppled (though not necessarily by US - left to their own devices, Israel could EASILY destroy him): He has given up his right to rule (and LIVE) by blatantly murdering citizens within his borders.

:/ ttt

[GRANGER]

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[weikel]

I'm beginning to believe that now hes tilted leftward lately( wierdly roughly coinciding with when he almost choked on that pretzel) I think his evil Rino Arabist father has gotten to him somehow. My one hope is that he has some master plan I haven't thought of yet.

[detsaoT]

Agreed! I was refering to the lack of a state religion, as was the case with the church of England and most Islamic countries. It sets up a dual government and major confusion of public policy.

Roge-o. I was worried there, for a sec.

:) ttt

[headsonpikes]

"The communists had a good idea, deemphasizing religions."

'Deemphasizing'....the mind boggles!

Any other good ideas you want to share?

[Cold Heat]

I am no expert but have heard interpretations that indicate that it was. The Koran seems to be much like the old Test. where interpretation by religious poobahs is the thing that folks believe. I am a member of no religion because of this. I worship and honor God in private and without confusion of interpreters. I also avoid the political BS that religions seem to get themselves intertwined with. I feel that is out of their job description.

[detsaoT]

Im not saying its a religion I'm just saying that most evolutionist do not believe in a bunch of crap about the innate good of mankind.

The core of ALL religions and "worldviews" (which I generally will refer to as "religions" due to the dogmatic adherence to Its Core Values by its adherents) can be summarized in the following:

- Where did mankind come from?

- What has caused us to get in the state we're in? (Global poverty, war, crimes, etc.)

- What can/will be done to correct the aforementioned state that we're in?

Even with the lack of an abject deity, Evolution qualifies as a religion in the sense that:

- Mankind evolved over millions/billions/trillions of years into the state he's in now. (Note: This part requires adherents to exhibit faith in the teachings of the Theory of Evolution - Mathematics has been REPEATEDLY used to disprove the feasibility of "blind" [caused by completely natural means] evolution)

- Mankind is currently in a state of (different proponents of the Theory of Evolution inject different phrases here. Marxists, for example, say "repression by the borgeois", others might say "not in a high state of evolution and/or enlightenment")

- The solution for Mankind's problems lies in a further evolving of the human race into something better, just as Mankind evolved from something below itself.

See what I mean? Even Evolution can be considered as dogmatic a religion as Christianity - It has a CLEAR doctrine ("Mankind evolved from the swamps, unassisted by an unnecessary deity"), and cannot AUTHORITATIVELY be proven by ANY scientific means (we still have no "missing link", there is NO clear case of evolution happening in our lifetime, nor during ANY of the documented generations before us, etc.)

I won't try to group Evolution in with Secular Humanism, as obviously there are followers of the Theory of Evolution who believe in a higher being of some sort (as is evident by the "Intelligent Design" proponents). Either group is fully capable of being its own religion, and also capable of being mixed in any number of quantities to become yet another religious outlook on life.

:) ttt

[detsaoT]

I worship and honor God in private and without confusion of interpreters. I also avoid the political BS that religions seem to get themselves intertwined with. I feel that is out of their job description.

My mother-in-law professes the same thing, while also claiming to be a Christian.

My question to you: How do you know who God is? Who told you that there is a God? How do you know (a) how to communicate with God, and (b) whether or not God wishes to hear from you?

I'm not trying to disparage your views at all, please don't be insulted by these questions in the least. I _am_ pointing out to you, though, that your beliefs would still qualify as being "a religion," whether or not you wish for them to be.

:) ttt

[M. Thatcher]

the Satanic Benjamin Netanyahu

Why on earth is the odious Raimondo employing a religious term such as "Satanic"? Who is "Satan" in the Raimondo cosmos, anyway?

Personally, I consider Raimondo and Satan well acquainted.

[Cold Heat]

I'm not trying to disparage your views at all, please don't be insulted by these questions in the least. I _am_ pointing out to you, though, that your beliefs would still qualify as being "a religion," whether or not you wish for them to be.

Agreed! I had early religious training in the Protestant faith. (Methodist actually)

I tried other faiths and churches in my lifetime and always ended up pissed at something. A little voice (I hear voices!LOL!)said to me one day that I did not need to attend a church to serve God. That is it in a nutshell. I do what I can to help people find comfort in their lives and help the needy when I can but it is all done by me and not a group thing.

I suppose you could call me a loner. Jesus inferred somewhere that the church could be a mutiple of one.

[weikel]

Im a deist not an atheist 1st of all A=A existence exist. This universe, definitely a part of existence not neccasaraly all of it, existing within time( you could still tell the passage of time even with no senses but you own thoughts thus I will argue the existence of this universe within in time is absolutely true and independent of perception or sense data) is either eternal itself its own "uncaused caused"( I find this unlikely that tiem goes back forever) or some other eternal thing created our universe which exist in time( well actually another universe existing within time could supposedly make this one but eventually the chain of cause and effect has to end at an origin an "uncaused eternal cause"). That being said its a big leap from my own impersonal, eternal, unfathomable, and distant deist god creating time and space the laws of physics and the original amount of matter and energy in the Universe to the angry jealous God of the Old Testament or the Loving god of the New Testament creating Adam and Eve.

[StockAyatollah]

Sounds like we need to assassinate that cow to stave off Armageddon!

I call dibs on the cut they use to make filet mignon!

[realpatriot71]

These Israeli nutballs have forged a natural alliance with our Christian nutballs, who have their own theological rationale for hurrying Apocalypse along

The "red heifer thing" makes a certain amount of sense now . . .