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To: CCWoody; zshhh; fortheDeclaration; Winston Churchill; ShadowAce; hopespringseternal...
BTW, do you believe that the names of the elect were not know before the foundation of the world was laid?

Woody, there are reasons in the Bible to believe that God changes course. This could mean that God continues to update his foreknowing. (Jonah and Ninevah; God telling Moses he'd start over using Moses' line instead of those who were there before him. There is the idea of contingency in the bible.)

And the Bible says that "those" he foreknew he predestined. You already know what I believe that indicates....foreknowledge precedes predestination.

That automatically means that we are in the process of working out those choices RIGHT NOW! And that when God foresaw each choice that it was a true, free choice.

That makes it so that RIGHT NOW is the first time it's EVER HAPPENED!

Now, I've told you this dozens of times in the past. Has it changed your mind? Has it changed the name of anyone on the pre-selected list.

One of the great arguments against calvinism is that it turns all of life into futility and meaninglessness.

1,478 posted on 04/29/2002 5:21:58 PM PDT by xzins
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To: xzins;CCWoody; zshhh; fortheDeclaration; Winston Churchill; ShadowAce; hopespringseternal...
And the Bible says that "those" he foreknew he predestined. You already know what I believe that indicates....foreknowledge precedes predestination.

xzins your reading makes no sense..Why predestine those that have already chosen you?

4267 proginosko {prog-in-oce'-ko} from 4253 and 1097; TDNT - 1:715,119; v AV - foreknow 2, foreordain 1, know 1, know before 1; 5

1) to have knowledge before hand
2) to foreknow
2a) of those whom God elected to salvation 3) to predestinate

Those He did foreordain He did predestinate.....

2Ti 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

1,497 posted on 04/29/2002 6:04:09 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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