[Jean Chauvin]

"The Bible is clear that God considers a true Jew to be a person who has the same faith as Abraham did. Jesus explained that the faith which Abraham had included believing and knowing Him (John 8:56-58)."

By this definition, it is clear that since I have the same faith as Abraham, I must, therefore, be a Jew! This is why dispensationalism is so thoroughly anti-biblical and heretical and truly ~is~ the reason the historical Christian faith had never thought of this concept in it's first 1800 years of existence.

Jean

[P-Marlowe]

So is the presence of Israel as a nation in the 21st century a mere conicidence, part of God's plan, or a joke perpetrated to convince people of the unfounded truth of an 18th Century heresy of Darby?

Do you see the hand of GOD in the restoration of Israel? If so, how?

[fortheDeclaration]

By this definition, it is clear that since I have the same faith as Abraham, I must, therefore, be a Jew!

You are a spiritual Jew in that you followed the faith of Abraham (Gal.3:29) All those, both Jew and Gentile who believe in this dispensation are now one in Christ (Gal.3:27-28)

That will change when the Church is Raptured out (1Thess.4,1Cor.15) the divisions return to either saved or unsaved Jew or Gentile.

This is why dispensationalism is so thoroughly anti-biblical and heretical and truly ~is~ the reason the historical Christian faith had never thought of this concept in it's first 1800 years of existence.

Actually, the first three centuries was at least Premillennial, if not strongly dispensational. It was only with Augustine in the 4th century (and his rejection of literal interpretation) that Amillennialism began to dominate the Church.

[DittoJed2]

Jean, the Jews are an already but not yet kind of people. God specifically made a covenant with the Israelites. We have been grafted in to Israel, but have not obliterated her. God still has a plan for his remnant of people of Israel. In Zechariah it speaks of a time where Israel will look upon Him who she has pierced and mourn as for one's only Son. God still holds her as the apple of His eye, even if she is blinded now in part. When the time of the Gentiles is complete, God will fulfill His final plans towards Israel, and all Israel will be saved.