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How about Heb.8:8-13, Rom.11:1,11,26-27, Rev 7:4-8 (where the 144,000 are sealed, 12,000 each from the 12 tribes of Israel As to Hebrews 8: 8-13 - Wow, you don't get it do you? The writer is stating that is exactly what is happening at that time. He is quoting Jeremiah 31 as proof of the fulfillment of the promise. They were living at the exact time that the old covenant was passing away and the new covenant was instituted.

That is your (weird) interpretation of the verse. It states the House of Israel and the House of Judah! Now, how do you get church out of that? Moreover,you asked if there were any verses in the New Testament that related to the Old Convenant promises. Those do. You have to Allegorize them away to have them relate to us today.

As to Romans 11:1, 11 - Paul is right, not all Israel was rejected. Individuals of the remmant would be saved as gentiles through repentance and faith. As to Romans 11:26 & 27 - What's the problem? All Israel will be saved. But you better understand who "all Israel" is. Note Romans 9:6 - "...For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham's children. On the contrary, "It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned." In other words , it is not the natural children who are God's children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's offspring." NIV. See, all the children of promise of the true Israel of God will be saved!!

One, it is amazing how you guys will avoid Rom.9:3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh and vs.5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom concerning the flesh Christ came. Paul describes those who are spiritual Israel (the church today) to differente between the racial/national Israel that he is desiring to be saved. Is it the elect Is it the church who has 'zeal without knowledge'(Rom.10:3), is it the church who have 'not all obeyed the Gospel'(Rom.10:16)

As to Revelation 7: 4-8 - Isn't it interesting how this passage parrallels Matthew 24:31. Check it out. After the destruction of Jerusalem, the Lord sends out His messengers to gather in the elect. And the completed number (symbolically represented by 144,000) will be saved. Note this explanation by Jamieson, Faucett and Brown in their commentary: Twelve is the number of the tribes, and appropriate to the Church: three by four: three, the divine number, multiplied by four, the number for world-wide extension. Twelve by twelve implies fixity and completeness, which is taken a thousandfold in 144,000. A thousand implies the world perfectly pervaded by the divine; for it is ten, the world number, raised to the power of three, the number of God. of all the tribes--literally, "out of every tribe"; not 144,000 of each tribe, but the aggregate of the twelve thousand from every tribe.

When you raised the question of any New Testament verses, it did not mean that you could not Allegorize them away with your bizarre hermenutic. I am reading those passages literally and the passages say twelve tribes and lists the Jewish tribes.

It is also interesting to note, Mr. historian, that all the tribes are not mentioned. Dan and Ephraim are missing. Hmmmmm....

Both Dan and Ephraim are not mentioned (being replaced with Joseph and Levi) because they introduced idolatry into the Jewish Tribes. (See Gen.49:17,Lev.24:10-16,Deut.29,18-21,Judge. 17,18.2-31,1Kings,12:16-33)

If you did a lot less HMMMMing and more comparing scripture with scripture you might actually learn something. But ye will not!