And where in the bible do you find God willfully creating anything evil such as the Nazi's? ...
Let's see... the Egyptians, the Babylonians, the Romans... God definitely used the Nazis to re-birth Israel. God is Sovereign over EVERYTHING.
I think your missing the point. God did not create the Egyptians, etc. specifically to fulfill a prophesy. Why should He? He had the power to establish an Israel that would never have become slaves. All of the Old Testament leads to one act: The Sacrifice of Christ and His Ressurrection for a people (us) who can never repay such love in kind! The rest is just semantics.
" God gave them a "physical Israel" His name was Jesus. And He will rule forever and ever."
This is a willful misreading of Genesis on your part. re-read my post. God tells Abraham he will give him the LAND to his seed forever. The LAND. Literal.
And since Abraham is the father of many nations... why give the land to those who do not believe in His Son?
Why do you guys not WANT God to give the Jews their ancestral homeland?
I don't care if the Jewish people get their ancient homeland. That's never been my point.
Why would you not WANT the Temple to be re-built?
Again! The "Temple" has been rebuilt in the person of Jesus Christ. If the Israelis choose to destroy the mosque on the site and rebuild a "building" ...that's their affair.
I'm having a hard time understanding why you both seem so resistant/afraid of these things happening. Why?? If indeed, the Jews are back in their land (which they are) and their Temple is re-built (which I'm certain it will be) what skin off your noses would that be?
Well I think I answered that...but again, all they will be doing is constructing a building, the Temple has already been built!
All of you Catholics on this thread seem deathly afraid of the Book of Revelation. Why is that?
I seriously doubt that we are afraid... Jesus the Christ has already promised us His divine kingdom. What more do we need?
It has been an interesting discussion...I'll give it that. Thank you for bringing me closer to my Catholic faith.
How mind-bogglingly wrong you are!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It was in Egypt that God first established the Passover which is THE BASIS for Christ's sacrifice on the cross and for our redemption. Christ was sacrificed on the Passover. If you go back to Exodus and read all the tiny details about how the Jews were to prepare the lamb etc, you will, for the first time understand the Theology of the Bible.
(The blood was to be put on Both sides and the top of the door -- forming a cross. Not a bone of the sacrificial lamb was to be broken -- they didn't break Jesus' bones on the cross. The Jews were to drink something sour -- Jesus was given vinegar on the cross. The hyssop branch etc.) Every tiny detail foreshadows events on the cross. Catholics know so little of the Bible. It makes me sad.
Anyways, thanks for the discussion. I've gotten great insights in the catholic mindset. It's really been fascinating and will be helpfuul to me in preaching to future catholics! Thanks!