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To: berned
No con job at all. I was born and raised catholic, went to parochial schools all my life, the whole nine yards. But I quit the RCC when I was 18 or 19, (a lot longer ago than I'd like to admit) and frankly, I find the mind-set of catholics today to be quite foreign to me.
Catholic "mindset" never changed regarding the Sriptures... You changed your mind about God. God was no longer "Universal" he need to be personal. You allowed others to shape your mind about the Church and forgot the majesty and the teachings of a Christ who was God of all (whether they realized it or not). You allowed others to "define" God for you, and turned your back on the teachings of Christ in favor of the "visions" of Revelations or the exactitude of Numbers.

When I was catholic, amongst my family freinds and classmates, the Bible was never mentioned much. It wasn't taught in RCC school. Just the catechism. In fact the nuns strongly implied to us that only the preists could understand the Bible, and when I was a teenager, I just assumed The Bible was written in Latin!!
And you never bothered to ask? Didn't take any initiative to read the English language Catholic Bible in your own home, or ask to borrow one? But yet expect us to take your word that the KJV (or whichever you use) is the final authority as 'interpreted' by you?

When I talk about "catholic mindset", I mean vis-a-vis The Bible. And what I find is that catholics have no reverence for the exacting specificty of God's Holy Word.
And it is your interpretation of specificty that keeps so many away from truly participating in Christs teachings. Tell me do you honestly believe that the words of Joshua or Ezekial, or even John (Divinely inspired as they were) hold equal weight to the very real teachings of God Jesus?

Paul was a Great Evangelist for God...but for all his letters and instructions, none can compare to Jesus own "Go...And Sin No More." Because in that one simple phrase, He summed up the true Revelation. Notice He did not spend a great deal of time explaining to the woman what constituted sin and what did not..."Go, and Sin No More." She did not have to refer to a bible; She did not become a desciple, in fact we know nothing of her after her encounter with Christ. Yet according to your beliefs, we are to assume she did not enter into the Kingdom because she wasn't "born again." Oh, but then there's "Saved by Grace." That's the ticket...she was saved by grace... But was she? There's no reference to her "turning" her life over to Jesus. So we can only assume God wrote His Laws on her heart. But, by gum! How could she know what God wanted without a Bible?

One other thing: How do you justify eating pork? That's a serious question. The O.T. bible, specifically denounces the eating of pork. We must reason that Christ fulfilled all the Scriptures within Himself and He relieved of of alligence to the "Old Temple." So why the reliance on the exactitude of the O.T.? God Himself made the changes and the O.T. became OBE (overshaddowed by events).

Do you see what I'm driving at? The Bible is a useful tool... but, the revealed word of God is written on our hearts and we are empowered through the Holy Spirit... not on an interpretation of something recorded thousands of years ago. (Or even on writings recorded after Christ...) The focus must always be on Christ and even the exactitude of the Bible cannot compare to the very real "Holy Spirit" God sent to dwell within us.

Recapping: FOCUS ON CHRIST...Everything else is just semantics.

130 posted on 04/02/2002 3:04:15 PM PST by grumpster-dumpster
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To: grumpster-dumpster
Wow, your personal attack against me in post 130 takes my breath away. I thought we were having a theological discussion, but your personal mischaracterizations of me and my motives is far beyond discussing theology.

I have stood all alone in this angry hornets nest of Roman Catholics, just an average joe, with no one on my side in these discussions. But armed with God's Word and the Holy Spirit as He moves me to speak, I cited Bible verses and explained my scriptural positions, because I am moved by the Spirit to preach to catholics so that they hear the Gospel that is not taught by the Roman Church.

I can tell you that I am very comfortable in the knowlege that God has observed our entire discussion here. I'm sorry that you can't discuss the Bible without resorting to negatively characterizing the individuals who souoght discussion with you.

133 posted on 04/02/2002 3:26:34 PM PST by berned
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